NHS hacked

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NHS hacked

Postby K » 12 May 2017, 15:41

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A number of hospitals have been hit by a large scale cyber attack, NHS England has confirmed.

Hospitals across the country appear to have been simultaneously hit by a bug in their IT systems, leading to many diverting emergency patients. NHS England said it was aware of the problem and would release more details soon.

A screen grab of a instant message conversation circulated by one doctor says: “So our hospital is down … We got a message saying your computers are now under their control and pay a certain amount of money. And now everything is gone.”
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Re: NHS hacked

Postby The Prof » 12 May 2017, 15:49

Blimey! It's what happens in films.

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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Jimbo » 12 May 2017, 15:50

K wrote:We got a message saying your computers are now under their control and pay a certain amount of money.


If it's a Mac system it's bullshit. Turn off turn on and the message is gone.

I got a horrific message a few weeks ago and it froze my machine up. There was a message that said if I wanted control back I must call this tel number. I freaked out and asked my sister. She laughed and said her husband got the same thing when he was looking at porn and she told me to switch off and then back on. It was gone and I got back to business. :oops:
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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Darkness_Fish » 12 May 2017, 15:50

Even the hackers are Tories these days.
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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Snarfyguy » 12 May 2017, 16:17

The Prof wrote:Blimey! It's what happens in films.

Check out this documentary about cyber-warfare if you really want a scare!

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Re: NHS hacked

Postby JQW » 12 May 2017, 16:48

It's a ransom-ware attack, and it seems to have spread into the NHS via Spanish telecoms operator Telefonica, who some NHS trusts use for communications services.
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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Six String » 12 May 2017, 16:49

Hospitals are major targets these days. There is plenty of data to mind and some hospitals jumped into this internet business wthout doing enough to protect it. It can be a phisherman's paradise.

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Re: NHS hacked

Postby TL;DR » 12 May 2017, 17:19

One of my best friends is the COO of one of the hospitals affected and she is burying her mother today. The one day, the one day that she needed to be work free.
The mindset of attacking a hospital. Unreal.
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Re: NHS hacked

Postby hippopotamus » 12 May 2017, 22:57

This is pretty huge, isn't it?
It's not just the NHS, but supposedly NSA software that attack big networks all over the world. Why is BCB not up in conspiracy arms? BCB loves a scandal. First no one gets excited about a self-proclaimed "shit stirring" thread, now we're all blase about a proper worldwide digital hack threatening to destroy the internet. Next thing we know a sushi thread won't get anyone banned.
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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Tactful Cactus » 12 May 2017, 23:15

Jimbo wrote: If it's a Mac system it's bullshit. Turn off turn on and the message is gone. I got a horrific message a few weeks ago and it froze my machine up. There was a message that said if I wanted control back I must call this tel number. I freaked out and asked my sister. She laughed and said her husband got the same thing when he was looking at porn and she told me to switch off and then back on. It was gone and I got back to business. :oops:



No Mac systems in corporate and public services. Its all Windows and Linux. In this case it was a public sector with underfunded IT - Operating Systems were still Windows XP, now unsupported by Microsoft. Even still there was a patch made available a few months ago which may have contained todays spread - but again, deploying a patch is expensive and risky, especially with medical proprietary software. The biggest risk is user awareness. Non techies trying to do their job, they'll get an email and they'll click an attachment and its as easy as that. Some of them are probably feeling mighty guilty tonight.

I can see the global networks moving back to segmentation - even within a company it'll be necessary to segment the network to contain outbreaks. Downside is it leads to less collaboration and reduces information sharing/innovation etc..

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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Jimbo » 13 May 2017, 00:44

Still, and I'm only slightly joking, I'll bet the meltdown was caused by some jamoke looking at porn. Guy with some downtime goes to a site where Asian chicks bang Indian farm animals and up pops a warning. DON"T ENTER THIS SITE!!! VIRUS! VIRUS! VIRUS! What the hell, he thinks, it's not my computer.

Uh oh.

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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Darkness_Fish » 13 May 2017, 08:37

Jimbo wrote:
K wrote:We got a message saying your computers are now under their control and pay a certain amount of money.


If it's a Mac system it's bullshit. Turn off turn on and the message is gone.

I got a horrific message a few weeks ago and it froze my machine up. There was a message that said if I wanted control back I must call this tel number. I freaked out and asked my sister. She laughed and said her husband got the same thing when he was looking at porn and she told me to switch off and then back on. It was gone and I got back to business. :oops:

Most of that kind of virus are really just simple javascript routines which by definition can't do anything serious to your machine. Just chancers hoping to panic the non tech savvy into dialling a high charge line.
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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Toby » 13 May 2017, 09:00

A tech blogger on Twitter I follow observed that many institutions, banks and many retailers have OS that are problematic to upgrade, a symptom that seems to be at the heart of this

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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Tactful Cactus » 13 May 2017, 10:35

Darkness_Fish wrote:Most of that kind of virus are really just simple javascript routines which by definition can't do anything serious to your machine. Just chancers hoping to panic the non tech savvy into dialling a high charge line.


Thats it, actually encrypting data is very complex and time consuming. So its usually just locking the screen and using language that suggests your data is now just randomised unreadable bits until you pay up. I think thats the case here but if it is an NSA funded exploit tool it could be more sophisticated. Probably not.

It looks like they've halted the spread by registering a complex domain name - the exploit will stop spreading once it can find that website. Existing users are still stuck though. Best advice is to wait for a fix unless its an emergency.

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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Tactful Cactus » 13 May 2017, 10:40

Toby wrote:A tech blogger on Twitter I follow observed that many institutions, banks and many retailers have OS that are problematic to upgrade, a symptom that seems to be at the heart of this


Not problematic, expensive! Everything could and should be upgraded. The problem with banks is thinking that if they're on an old OS they have a reliable and steady system which is tried and tested and safe from attack. It takes major incidents like this, or regulatory fines, to convince them otherwise. It'll probably take an even larger global incident to change the thinking on a mass level.

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Re: NHS hacked

Postby The Prof » 13 May 2017, 10:55

Tactful Cactus wrote:
Not problematic, expensive! Everything could and should be upgraded.


and while the Tories are starving the NHS we can assume this won't happen anytime soon.

Best sell it off to American business then..

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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Tactful Cactus » 13 May 2017, 10:59

The Prof wrote:and while the Tories are starving the NHS we can assume this won't happen anytime soon.
Best sell it off to American business then..


Or maybe Corbyns behind all this?

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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 13 May 2017, 11:06

Tactful Cactus wrote:
Jimbo wrote: If it's a Mac system it's bullshit. Turn off turn on and the message is gone. I got a horrific message a few weeks ago and it froze my machine up. There was a message that said if I wanted control back I must call this tel number. I freaked out and asked my sister. She laughed and said her husband got the same thing when he was looking at porn and she told me to switch off and then back on. It was gone and I got back to business. :oops:



No Mac systems in corporate and public services. Its all Windows and Linux. In this case it was a public sector with underfunded IT - Operating Systems were still Windows XP, now unsupported by Microsoft. Even still there was a patch made available a few months ago which may have contained todays spread - but again, deploying a patch is expensive and risky, especially with medical proprietary software. The biggest risk is user awareness. Non techies trying to do their job, they'll get an email and they'll click an attachment and its as easy as that. Some of them are probably feeling mighty guilty tonight.

I can see the global networks moving back to segmentation - even within a company it'll be necessary to segment the network to contain outbreaks. Downside is it leads to less collaboration and reduces information sharing/innovation etc..


My thoughts.

Though I'm no IT expert at all, I was contemplating this, in the early morning.

Underfunding is one problem, our extreme dependence on big, nay, allmighty IT another.

(A personal thought: now that you mention XP - when I was using this, I thought: it suits all my needs, and more. Why should there ever be a new one? I try never to get impressed by capitalist rhetoric about everything getting faster, bigger, and better, and even acceleration accelerating itself, in some unknowable near and golden future.

Sometimes I see Big Informatics as nothing more than a drug dealer. Sometimes it throws you something for free, and at the point you realize that you're totally hooked, a slave, it's too late. Go along, or go under.)
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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Diamond Dog » 13 May 2017, 11:27

It was Hillary. But the Russians will get the blame.
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Re: NHS hacked

Postby Tactful Cactus » 13 May 2017, 11:30

Well if it was Russia then they're playing a double bluff, the Russian Interior Ministry was one of the biggest victims. Chinese universities too.


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