May still desperately clinging on to power

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Penk! » 12 Dec 2018, 12:49



PENK wrote:Blair promised a referendum on the EU constitution. Not membership. That referendum never happened because the Dutch and French had already vetoed the constitution.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 12 Dec 2018, 18:26

It seems she has told the meeting that she won't stand at the next Election.

I think that somewhat arrogantly assumes that the very thing she in front of them for is, in her mind, a foregone conclusion!

She doesn't exactly help herself, does she?
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 12 Dec 2018, 19:42

Toby wrote:Labour would be in just the same problem Pete if they were in power.


No they wouldn't because they wouldn't have called for a vote on the EU to appease the far right

You'd have a Leaver PM


No you wouldn't Corbyn has said many times he voted remain, would vote remain again and thinks we need to be in the EU to reform it.

Don't kid yourself that they would be able to do any better.


It is difficult to see how they could do any worse especially seeing as the party is pretty united on remaining in the EU

Anything else you'd like to get wrong?

I can't see how Corbyn would be able to get any sort of a better deal than May would.


By not having nonsensical redlines to appease far right nutters perhaps? Just a thought.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 12 Dec 2018, 20:42

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No you wouldn't Corbyn has said many times he voted remain, would vote remain again and thinks we need to be in the EU to reform it.

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He is a fucking liar. And you know it.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 12 Dec 2018, 20:52

yomptepi wrote:
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No you wouldn't Corbyn has said many times he voted remain, would vote remain again and thinks we need to be in the EU to reform it.

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He is a fucking liar. And you know it.


Well he isn't "behaving like a leader, and making the compromises needed in order to carry out the wishes of the electorate" like May, I grant you that.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Deebank » 12 Dec 2018, 21:05

No need the change the thread title then.... yet.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 12 Dec 2018, 21:05

200 votes for.
117 against.

How does she get any business through Parliament if 117 of her own back benchers have no confidence in her?


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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Toby » 12 Dec 2018, 21:18

Corbyn managed to sustain his leadership of the Labour party despite losing a confidence vote of 40 to 172.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 07826.html

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Positive Passion » 12 Dec 2018, 21:24

So now that's out of the way it is time for a general election and then a second referendum. Not necessarily in that order.

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 12 Dec 2018, 21:39

Toby wrote:Corbyn managed to sustain his leadership of the Labour party despite losing a confidence vote of 40 to 172.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 07826.html


He wasn't Prime Minister.

Can you do anything to justify May without quoting Corbyn?


Try it for a day Toby.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Toby » 12 Dec 2018, 21:42

I posted that to wind you up in fairness.


It's not a mortal blow, but it's another cut.

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Goat Boy » 12 Dec 2018, 22:58

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Toby wrote:Corbyn managed to sustain his leadership of the Labour party despite losing a confidence vote of 40 to 172.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 07826.html



Less than a quarter against just over a third.

Not very strong.

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Powehi » 13 Dec 2018, 08:53

Given that the EU ain't willing/going to renegotiate, and the 117 Tory dissidents are sure to want to keep their seats, Corbyn would be mad to try and piss off the electorate by attempting to engineer yet another general election.

As a result, it now seems to be coming down to a direct choice between leaving with no deal or trying to cobble together a second referendum to either quit with May's proposal or stay in.

Well, that's the way it looks to me at 08:42 am. Sure things will change as the day progresses
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 13 Dec 2018, 09:39

Toby wrote:I posted that to wind you up in fairness.


It's not a mortal blow, but it's another cut.


I think there is a case for saying that it makes her stronger in some ways. Now the rebels have shot their bolt and failed so spectacularly, she has a least another year before they can try again. If they really wanted rid of her, they should have organised better. If they knew they were going to lose, then why hand her 12 months of unopposed leadership? I'd love to know what the real agenda was.

It was great seeing JRM so pissed off though. I am sure he said a lot of things on TV last night that he really shouldn't have.
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Postby yomptepi » 13 Dec 2018, 09:41

And of course it pushes back any hopes of the election the increasing senile and decrepit Corbyn is so desperate for. By the time we get to vote , he will be even more of gibbering ninny than he is now. And you just don't hear the singing so much these days, do you?
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Deebank » 13 Dec 2018, 09:45

Toby wrote:I posted that to wind you up in fairness.


It's not a mortal blow, but it's another cut.



It actually is a mortal blow.... Somewhat deferred maybe, but still fatal.
In order to win the day she had to pledge to go before the next election.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 13 Dec 2018, 09:46

Deebank wrote:
Toby wrote:I posted that to wind you up in fairness.


It's not a mortal blow, but it's another cut.



It actually is a mortal blow.... Somewhat deferred maybe, but still fatal.
In order to win the day she had to pledge to go before the next election.


a lot can change in three and half years...
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Deebank » 13 Dec 2018, 09:47

yomptepi wrote:
Deebank wrote:
Toby wrote:I posted that to wind you up in fairness.


It's not a mortal blow, but it's another cut.



It actually is a mortal blow.... Somewhat deferred maybe, but still fatal.
In order to win the day she had to pledge to go before the next election.


a lot can change in three and half years...


Is that a prediction Yomp?
You'll be giving my bro a run for his money next.

Although to be fair, she's not really known for keeping her word :lol:
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 13 Dec 2018, 09:56

Deebank wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
Deebank wrote:

It actually is a mortal blow.... Somewhat deferred maybe, but still fatal.
In order to win the day she had to pledge to go before the next election.


a lot can change in three and half years...


Is that a prediction Yomp?
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I don't really have any horse in the race, unlike your Corbyn adoring brother. My view is based on the desperate lack of potential in the house of commons. In every party. I cannot see a single person who has the intestinal fortitude to take on being Prime Minister. Not one. They are all vacuous , self regarding arsewipes. It is a disgrace. I really would like to see the whole house cleaned out , and a new batch of MP's elected. We need to clear out the dead wood. The tired old warhorses, the senile old goats, and the dim witted, ill educated politically correct dullards. Kick them all out and let us have some new blood. A new generation of politicians who are more interested in doing their jobs than standing at a subsidised bar all night, plotting. Our present HOC is a fucking disgrace. I would also like to see a limit on the number of years you can " serve , ( and I use that term ironically) to to terms. I think there is something very whiffy about people who have spent their lives lurking around the halls of Westminster. Time for a change.
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