May still desperately clinging on to power

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 24 Jul 2018, 13:34

Good. Stop blaming Corbyn for it then.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 24 Jul 2018, 13:42

Maybe it's about time you did start blaming him. What use is an impotent leader?
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 24 Jul 2018, 13:57

yomptepi wrote:Maybe it's about time you did start blaming him. What use is an impotent leader?


And May is effective, am I right?

You com plain that Corbyn isn't believable on Brexit - can I remind you that May actually campaigned Remain and then decided she was the right person to steer the Tories through it. No wonder her own party don't believe a fucking word she says on it. Now that's impotent - implementing something you campaigned and voted against.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Goat Boy » 24 Jul 2018, 14:07

Blast the fucking pair of useless cunts into space with nobody else for company but their pitiful selves.

That waste of cock Corbyn can bore her to death talking about his allotment and socialism whilst she can drone on about wheat fields.

Has this country ever had such a useless, incompetent government combined with such a useless shower of cunts in opposition? It's a national embarrassment.

Fuck the lot of 'em.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby PENK » 24 Jul 2018, 14:08

yomptepi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:"Anything but May".......


Rees Mogg?

Johnson?

Farage?

Be careful what you wish for.


Well, to steer things back on track, are there any senior Tories who give the impression they could lead with competence, grit, cooperativeness and integrity? Presumably none, if it has to be a Brexiteer.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 24 Jul 2018, 14:38

PENK wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:"Anything but May".......


Rees Mogg?

Johnson?

Farage?

Be careful what you wish for.


Well, to steer things back on track, are there any senior Tories who give the impression they could lead with competence, grit, cooperativeness and integrity? Presumably none, if it has to be a Brexiteer.



There is not a member in the house worthy of serving as a minister, let alone a prime minister. Never has there been such a total dearth of talent in politics. It is a national embarrassment..
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 24 Jul 2018, 22:35

yomptepi wrote: Corbyn did not campaign for remain , did he.


If you don't count the 122 speeches he made during the campaign period that the Loughborough University politics department counted.
Perhaps you mean Corbyn was not reported in the media as having campaigned for Remain.
The media, quite rightly, saw this as an internecine Tory battle and didn't pay much attention to what the opposition parties were doing, that this now being used as yet another stick to beat Corbyn with is particularly laughable.

He is to blame for a right wing press not giving him column inches during the EU debate, yes Mike of course he is.

Even now he is lukewarm to the idea of staying in Europe.


Aren't we all? he gave it 7/10, which is pretty generous. The EU isn't a great panacea, it is better than the alternative and has helped keep the peace in Europe for 70 years before which millions of people had been slaughtered with 40 years in 2 world wars.

We have a minority government who somehow still manage to push through very nearly every piece of legislation they want to.


You have forgotten the DUP and their 1.5 billion pound bribe haven't you.


If Corbyn cannot make any impression on them whilst they are at their weakest, how will he do when his numbers are drastically reduced after the next election?


The Labour Party have a healthy lead with most pollsters now not just Survation, who called the last election correctly and he has already proven that he can drive those numbers up even higher during an election period when he is given equal air time by law.

He has the opportunity to impact what happens, but he is far more interested in his cult of personality, and having children chanting his name


Students are not children, they are more intelligent than most of the population including you.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 25 Jul 2018, 00:21

Copehead wrote:
The Labour Party have a healthy lead with most pollsters now not just Survation, who called the last election correctly and he has already proven that he can drive those numbers up even higher during an election period when he is given equal air time by law.


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pathetic

He has the opportunity to impact what happens, but he is far more interested in his cult of personality, and having children chanting his name


Students are not children, they are more intelligent than most of the population including you.[/quote]

They are fucking children. Get a grip. Anyway, most of them have found someone more interesting to sing about now. Labour Live didn't exactly pull in the crowds, did it. ( except for those party members who had their weekends ruined by being summoned to a bus so their glorious leader didn't look like a Johnny no mates)
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 25 Jul 2018, 05:04

Meanwhile, back at Stately Wayne Manor....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44941792

"DExEU (the Department for Exiting the EU) will continue to lead on all of the government's preparations for Brexit: domestic preparations in both a deal and a no-deal scenario, all of the necessary legislation, and preparations for the negotiations to implement the detail of the Future Framework.

"I will lead the negotiations with the European Union, with the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union deputising on my behalf."


So May has personally taken control of Brexit negotiations.... whilst her new Brexit Secretary (the hitherto unknown Dominic Raab) will effectively be PM until May returns to her day job, as PM.

Well, that's not confusing at all, is it? :lol:
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 25 Jul 2018, 10:44

That isn't what it says at all. As PM , she is always the lead negotiator. Raab, as Brexit minister is her minister,and there fore does the negotiations in her place, or as her deputy. It doesn't mean that he is now PM.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 25 Jul 2018, 11:47

It says quite clearly "I will lead the negotiations with the European Union, with the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union deputising on my behalf."


Maybe they should learn to issue legible statements.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 25 Jul 2018, 23:12

Can you imagine the media response if the Labour Party had announced that they were starting to stockpile food in response to a disastrous failure of their government?

Yompy's head would go pop! this country would go into meltdown and voices would be broadcast demanding the military take over and depose the government.

But when it is the Tories saying that we may run out of basic foodstuffs and medicines within days in less than a year hardly a peep.

The reluctance of the media to hold right wing governments to account is having a disastrous effect on democracy and it is starting to look like this is a desired outcome of the people running this country.

You cannot have a functioning democracy whilst constant lying to the populace like the Conservative Party and their media mouthpieces do.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 25 Jul 2018, 23:26

Someone summed it up well btl on CiF

Any one of a million scandals about that odious idiot <speaking about Trump> would have finished a normal politician by now. A normal UK government would have been ended by its sheer venal incompetence. But normal rules don't apply any more.

This is what happens when the far right get their hands on power, straight from the fascist playbook. A permanent state of crisis creates constitutional mayhem. Political language starts to talk of betrayal, of traitors, saboteurs, scapegoats. Emergency powers will come next, and once granted they will be kept in place. We have been staggeringly complacent about how fragile our decent, sane world is and how easily it can be torn down.


And as an example someone else posted this

And now a Conservative MEP, David Bannerman, is saying that the Treason Act should be updated and used against "those actively working undemocratically against UK through extreme EU loyalty"


It is easy to laugh this off, like they did in Germany in the early 30s, but this is stuff that I have never seen in my 50 odd years on this planet.

The right intends to hang on to power by any means possible now, even if that means undermining democracy itself, it is clear that has happened in the US with voter suppression laws and the Conservatives in the UK are using that as a template to follow not something to revile.

The mainstream media in the UK appears to be almost totally onside with this desire for one party rule, heck elements of the Labour Party seem happier to have what we currently have than a Corbyn government.

This isn't healthy at all, I only hope we can snap out of this sleep walk towards right wing extremism in the USA and UK.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 28 Aug 2018, 15:33

This thread is worth reviving because :
a) It's worth remembering where the blame (for most everything) truly lies,
b) It's good to realise how appalling a PM she truly is,
c) It will piss Yomp pff immeasurably and,
d) It's a great thread.

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Goat Boy » 28 Aug 2018, 15:41

Like DD at a jolly up!

Get on the good foot!
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 28 Aug 2018, 15:45

Bit energetic for me!
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Goat Boy » 28 Aug 2018, 15:48

Sexeh
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


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Postby Butch Manly » 28 Aug 2018, 22:19

Nice to see Michael Crick take her down about the Tory party's "Mandela is a terrorist" stance in the 70s and 80s. Good old Conservatives with their "not wanting to plunge the country into uncertainty and ooh isn't it great with all these business ties to white companies?" attitude.

A deeply anti-racist party.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 06 Sep 2018, 16:34

So, onto "Operation Yellowhammer"....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45410344

HMT briefing - Operation Yellowhammer - 04 September 2018

Operation Yellowhammer: no deal contingency planning

Summary of issue

•This meeting will consider progress on the Government's plans for mitigating the immediate impacts of a No Deal Brexit.

•The Civil Contingencies Secretariat held a two-day workshop last week to review departments' plans, assumptions, interdependencies and next steps.

HMT objectives

1.Emphasise the importance of building XWH [cross Whitehall] communications architecture that can help maintain confidence in the event of contingency plans being triggered - particularly important for financial services.

2.Explain that departments should be raising Yellowhammer costs through the normal channels - through their spending teams for in-year pressures, and in their bids for 19/20 Brexit allocations for spending that year. Their first call should be internal prioritisation.

3.Reaffirm the need for consistent planning assumptions across plans […] aviation and rail access to the EU.

4.Remind departments of the need to consider the financial […] commercial firms that play a role in their contingency plans.


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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 10 Sep 2018, 05:30

Up to 80 Tories to vote against the Chequers deal....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45468544

Ex Brexit Minister Steve Baker :

"We are reaching the point now where it is extremely difficult to see how we can rescue the Conservative Party from a catastrophic split if the Chequers proposals are carried forward.

It is absolutely no pleasure whatsoever to me to acknowledge that, but I look at the mood of colleagues and the mood of the Conservative Party in the country and I am gravely concerned for the future of our party."

Dead in the water, isn't it?
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