May still desperately clinging on to power

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby jimboo » 22 Dec 2017, 23:46


If you had had information that proved a government minister was telling barefaced lies to the world what would you do?


Gee , I guess everyone would be genuinely shocked and appalled at the idea that this was even possible !
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 23 Dec 2017, 00:09

yomptepi wrote:
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PENK wrote:
Labour have been ineffectual as an opposition but it should still be no choice between supporting them or the Tories. Whatever you think of Corbyn's oddball decision-making and the party's split between old-school socialism and the New Labour centre-right, you just have to look across the hall and see people like Green, Jeremy Hunt and Boris Johnson to know where your vote should be. How much interest do any of the Conservative cabinet have in making life better for the people of the UK? Labour might be a mess but you get the impression they'd at least try.


Corbyn and Labour have taken the only sensible route on Brexit: let the Tories own it.

When they could gain a useful victory they have done - on a Parliamentary vote and the concrete leaving date - by using cross bench alliances on the back benches rather than grand standing.

They have learnt their lesson from the Scottish Independence referendum that they cannot stand along side the Tories on anything because the Tories will use it to smear them with.

The only sensible option here is stand back and let the Tories fuck it up because what, exactly, is the brilliant alternative they are missing here?


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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 23 Dec 2017, 04:10

yomptepi wrote:I know it isn't a police matter. I heard the deputy commissioner of the metropolitan police say so yesterday on LBC. Definitely not a police matter...


Ah right. So on this you're prepared to trust the police?

Yet...

yomptepi wrote:There is a case for the police to be using this as leverage to improve their chances of getting a better deal in the budget. They don't have to say anything in order to raise suspicion. And that is what they are doing. It isn't as if they have a reputation for being honest or fair, is it?


Erm...........
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 23 Dec 2017, 09:24

Excuse me.

"The ex-police officers where in a position to show that he was lying and good on them for doing so, that is definitely in the public interest."

It may be in the public interest. But it is not a criminal matter. And the fact that the officer had only one notebook he kept from his days at the Met, and it was the one on Damian Green, is more than enough to speculate that the man had a vendetta against him. I know you struggle with debate Will, and Pete has the same problem, but I am not defending green's behaviour as an MP , or as a decent human being. I am making the point that this was not a police matter,and that their involvement was for personal reasons rather than as part of a criminal investigation. An illegally held document was used, under the guise of a police investigation which did not exist, to damage the reputation of a government minister. And not for the first time.. You might want to turn this into a partisan debate ( as you always do), but the FACTS of the matter are that this was NOT a police matter , and the two officers were involved as part of a personal vendetta. That is what I have said all along, and accusing me of trying to protect the reputation of man I have no regard for in order to defend your puerile attempts at debate simply will not stand.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 23 Dec 2017, 09:31

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Goat Boy wrote:Labour haven’t been ineffectual as an opposition, especially where Brexit is concerned.


Labour have been ineffectual as an opposition but it should still be no choice between supporting them or the Tories. Whatever you think of Corbyn's oddball decision-making and the party's split between old-school socialism and the New Labour centre-right, you just have to look across the hall and see people like Green, Jeremy Hunt and Boris Johnson to know where your vote should be. How much interest do any of the Conservative cabinet have in making life better for the people of the UK? Labour might be a mess but you get the impression they'd at least try.


Utter rubbish.

I look across the Labour benches, and I see exactly the same self serving, self interested cunts I see on the Tory side. I see grossly incompetent half wits, mathematically challenged idiots who couldn't add two and two and get four. I see Blairite acolytes wheedling their way into the upper ranks on the front bench with half thought out so called "populist " plans which are little more than bribes to their core membership. Any idea that there is more honour in supporting that bunch of lazy , good for nothing, ham fisted dim wits, than the self serving , corrupt money grabbing cunts in the tory benches is quite frankly stupid.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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yomptepi wrote:Excuse me.

"The ex-police officers where in a position to show that he was lying and good on them for doing so, that is definitely in the public interest."

It may be in the public interest. But it is not a criminal matter. And the fact that the officer had only one notebook he kept from his days at the Met, and it was the one on Damian Green, is more than enough to speculate that the man had a vendetta against him. I know you struggle with debate Will, and Pete has the same problem, but I am not defending green's behaviour as an MP , or as a decent human being. I am making the point that this was not a police matter,and that their involvement was for personal reasons rather than as part of a criminal investigation. An illegally held document was used, under the guise of a police investigation which did not exist, to damage the reputation of a government minister. And not for the first time.. You might want to turn this into a partisan debate ( as you always do), but the FACTS of the matter are that this was NOT a police matter , and the two officers were involved as part of a personal vendetta. That is what I have said all along, and accusing me of trying to protect the reputation of man I have no regard for in order to defend your puerile attempts at debate simply will not stand.


And you may want to accept that people who sign the Official Secrets Act are bound by security rules, both in hard and electronic versions - and allowing free access to your computer is actually against the law and is, therefore, a criminal matter which leads to a police investigation.

But as always, you won't see beyond your own convoluted 'logic' because you have a baying crowd hanging on every incorrect word you utter, and you love playing the hero!
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Postby Butch Manly » 23 Dec 2017, 09:35

Goat Boy wrote:.... their leader, Griff, has clearly succumb to political delirium.


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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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yomptepi wrote:Excuse me.

"The ex-police officers where in a position to show that he was lying and good on them for doing so, that is definitely in the public interest."

It may be in the public interest. But it is not a criminal matter. And the fact that the officer had only one notebook he kept from his days at the Met, and it was the one on Damian Green, is more than enough to speculate that the man had a vendetta against him. I know you struggle with debate Will, and Pete has the same problem, but I am not defending green's behaviour as an MP , or as a decent human being. I am making the point that this was not a police matter,and that their involvement was for personal reasons rather than as part of a criminal investigation. An illegally held document was used, under the guise of a police investigation which did not exist, to damage the reputation of a government minister. And not for the first time.. You might want to turn this into a partisan debate ( as you always do), but the FACTS of the matter are that this was NOT a police matter , and the two officers were involved as part of a personal vendetta. That is what I have said all along, and accusing me of trying to protect the reputation of man I have no regard for in order to defend your puerile attempts at debate simply will not stand.


I don't believe anyone has said that he did anything criminal, I certainly haven't, just stuff that would get all of us sacked from our jobs.

I imagine he kept the note book because he wanted some insurance to keep him safe from a vindictive scum bag like Green.

Seems to have done the trick as well.

They didn't damage his reputation, he lied and they exposed it, if he had told the truth they would have had no hold over him at all, but he didn't.

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 23 Dec 2017, 09:44

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And you may want to accept that people who sign the Official Secrets Act are bound by security rules, both in hard and electronic versions - and allowing free access to your computer is actually against the law and is, therefore, a criminal matter which leads to a police investigation.

But as always, you won't see beyond your own convoluted 'logic' because you have a baying crowd hanging on every incorrect word you utter, and you love playing the hero!


There was a police investigation at the time, and nothing illegal was found. Dealing with the security implications is an internal matter, not a criminal matter.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 23 Dec 2017, 09:46

Copehead wrote:
yomptepi wrote:Excuse me.

"The ex-police officers where in a position to show that he was lying and good on them for doing so, that is definitely in the public interest."

It may be in the public interest. But it is not a criminal matter. And the fact that the officer had only one notebook he kept from his days at the Met, and it was the one on Damian Green, is more than enough to speculate that the man had a vendetta against him. I know you struggle with debate Will, and Pete has the same problem, but I am not defending green's behaviour as an MP , or as a decent human being. I am making the point that this was not a police matter,and that their involvement was for personal reasons rather than as part of a criminal investigation. An illegally held document was used, under the guise of a police investigation which did not exist, to damage the reputation of a government minister. And not for the first time.. You might want to turn this into a partisan debate ( as you always do), but the FACTS of the matter are that this was NOT a police matter , and the two officers were involved as part of a personal vendetta. That is what I have said all along, and accusing me of trying to protect the reputation of man I have no regard for in order to defend your puerile attempts at debate simply will not stand.


I don't believe anyone has said that he did anything criminal, I certainly haven't, just stuff that would get all of us sacked from our jobs.

I imagine he kept the note book because he wanted some insurance to keep him safe from a vindictive scum bag like Green.

Seems to have done the trick as well.

They didn't damage his reputation, he lied and they exposed it, if he had told the truth they would have had no hold over him at all, but he didn't.

Zero sympathy.


Well that's all right then.

No criminal case
Illegally held " evidence"
Good reasons for a vendetta.

Jesus wept.

Basically what you are saying is that nothing matters because he is tory, and therefore he deserves. That is the entirety of the case against him. He had to go because he broke the ministerial code. He is clearly a deeply unpleasant man ( but then all politicians are ), and he had to go. But the facts matter.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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yomptepi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
And you may want to accept that people who sign the Official Secrets Act are bound by security rules, both in hard and electronic versions - and allowing free access to your computer is actually against the law and is, therefore, a criminal matter which leads to a police investigation.

But as always, you won't see beyond your own convoluted 'logic' because you have a baying crowd hanging on every incorrect word you utter, and you love playing the hero!


There was a police investigation at the time, and nothing illegal was found. Dealing with the security implications is an internal matter, not a criminal matter.


NOT if it's breaching national security.
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Diamond Dog wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
And you may want to accept that people who sign the Official Secrets Act are bound by security rules, both in hard and electronic versions - and allowing free access to your computer is actually against the law and is, therefore, a criminal matter which leads to a police investigation.

But as always, you won't see beyond your own convoluted 'logic' because you have a baying crowd hanging on every incorrect word you utter, and you love playing the hero!


There was a police investigation at the time, and nothing illegal was found. Dealing with the security implications is an internal matter, not a criminal matter.


NOT if it's breaching national security.


Show me where anyone , other than you , has suggested that national security was threatened.

Even your new best mate Copey says he has done nothing criminal. It is just you Pete.


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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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How do you or I know what was on his computer?
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Well, besides porn. We know that was on there. Now.
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Diamond Dog wrote:Well, besides p888. We know that was on there. Now.


But we still cannot be 100% sure that he downloaded it. There was a shared password. It is impossible to prove either way. Of course you prefer the Corbyn style lynch mob justice system. Set the fucking hipster momentum drones on the internet and get him found guilty. Of course you do. So much easier than actually finding out what is going on. After all. Let's be honest. Tory = guilty, eh Pete...
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yomptepi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:Well, besides p888. We know that was on there. Now.


But we still cannot be 100% sure that he downloaded it. There was a shared password. It is impossible to prove either way.


Okay. So it wasn't him.

So he allowed someone to share his password, who then viewed and downloaded porn, whilst opening up and replying to Green's emails.

And this is better in which way, precisely?
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Darryl Strawberry wrote:If he shared his password that's a transgression of the data protection act.


I know that, you know that.

Apparently Yomp doesn't. Or doesn't think it important.

Anymore important than lying to the police, the PM and the public.

Or viewing porn in the HofC on a ministeral computer and/or sharing his password to said computer.

Or making improper physical advances to a female journalist and then compounding that by following up with inappropriate texts to her.

All of the above doesn't matter.

Because what fucking well matters is that the police are turning the screw on Green to get a budgetary increase this year. THAT'S WHAT FUCKING MATTERS, MATEY!
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Diamond Dog wrote:
Darryl Strawberry wrote:If he shared his password that's a transgression of the data protection act.


I know that, you know that.

Apparently Yomp doesn't. Or doesn't think it important.

Anymore important than lying to the police, the PM and the public.

Or viewing porn in the HofC on a ministeral computer and/or sharing his password to said computer.

Or making improper physical advances to a female journalist and then compounding that by following up with inappropriate texts to her.

All of the above doesn't matter.

Because what fucking well matters is that the police are turning the screw on Green to get a budgetary increase this year. THAT'S WHAT FUCKING MATTERS, MATEY!


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Postby yomptepi » 23 Dec 2017, 12:30

Darryl Strawberry wrote:If he shared his password that's a transgression of the data protection act.


In which case nearly every MP in the house needs to be locked up. Resources are stretched, and office space is at a premium. Also these mp's have teams of researchers, advisers and interns, all of whom need to use the office, and inevitably, the office computer. Green could have been dictating those emails to a colleague over the phone, and that person was the one using the internet inappropriately. It was nine years ago. I suspect the number of people through that office is huge since then.
What I do not understand is why you find it so difficult to grasp the difference between illegal and breaching rules. No one has suggested that anything illegal has happened here. Only Pete and some of his witless cohorts. There has been a breach of the ministerial code, and inappropriate use of a government computer. Just like there is every day in every town hall across the country. And probably in every school across the country. Internet security has never been a priority for the public sector. How else are all those useless office boobies going to book their holidays and share their miserable lives on social media whilst supposedly working ever so hard? Are we going to demonise every single public sector worker with access to a computer now?
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