Insouciant Western People wrote: Copehead wrote:
Insouciant Western People wrote:
It wasn't when she was the Home Secretary, nor was it when Ed Miliband was leader. The reference to 'citizens of nowhere' was used in her conference speech in 2016, when she already leader of the Conservatives. At that point, Ed Miliband had not been leader of Labour for a year and a half. So your attempt to cast a slur at her seems to be without any justification.
Well apart from the fact that it happened, she said it and Vince cable likened it to something out of Mein Kampf you mean.
That is far closer to real anti-semitism than anything Corbyn has ever done.
I do love watching you backtrack like mad when, as per usual, you've got your facts wrong
I got the date it happened wrong.
I love the way you try to sweep the closest thing to anti-semitism any recent party leader has done under the carpet by making a fuss about when it happened
You said that May used an anti-Semitic trope in a speech made when Ed Miliband was the Labour leader. That isn't true
It isn't, She used an anti-semitic trope when Corbyn was leader.
Want to adress that ?
We've since established that the speech was made 18 months after Ed Miliband stopped being the Labour leader, and anyway Theresa May would have had no reason to mean to use an anti-Semitic trope even when Ed was leader, let alone after he'd stopped being leader.
And yet she did use an anti-semitic trope as mr Adler and Vince Cable complained about.
And all the while you don't want to talk about that just make a fuss about when it happened as if that is in anyway important in the matter.
Theresa May has close links to the Conservative Friends of Israel. 80% of Tory MPs are members of the CFI, including some of her key cabinet ministers. She has no history of associating with anti-Semites. Does she sound like a woman who'd want to use an anti-Semitic slur?
Well she is a woman who used a famous anti-semitic slur as noticed by Adler and Cable.
Maybe she is the right sort of anti-semite for the Board of British Deputies.
So the context of your accusation (implying that May wanted to have a pop at Miliband for being a Jew, and by extension make insinuations about the whole labour Party) is wrong in that respect.
The allegation was she used an anti-semitic slur in a conference speech.
And for all your hand wringing about anti-semitism you don't seem to want to address the one instance of it happening in front line British politics in recent years.
Do you think may is an anti-semite or just a deeply stupid person who would use an anti-semitic trope without fully understanding what it was?
I'd guess the latter she isn't interesting enough to have a grievous flaw like anti-semitism in her make up.
We've also established that given the context, there is a far more innocuous explanation for what was, at worst, an unfortunate choice of words - namely that she was echoing David Goodhart's thinking
So you are saying Goodhart is an anti-semite or someone too thick to recognise one of the oldest anti-semitic tropes on Earth when he deploys it?
Dog whistling the far right without even realising what you are doing.
An unfortunate choice of words? You wring those hands Nick, wring them.
You could be right Nick, anti-semitism is so deeply rooted in the political right is is possible they use it without even realising they are doing it, especially a plank like May.
Jeremy Adler and Vince Cable are welcome to their opinions. I'm simply saying that I can't see any real evidence for why May's words would be construed as being aimed at Jews, the aforesaid poor choice of words aside.
Poor choice of words, something you don't seem to allow Corbyn.
Wring wring wring wring.