May still desperately clinging on to power

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 29 Dec 2017, 20:08

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yomptepi wrote:I think it a measure of how desperately poor they are that the present cabinet are still in post,

Don't you?



Nope.

I think that the present Cabinet is still in post is because of the shockingly poor judgement of those, like you, that voted for them at the last Election.

I do understand why you want to deflect Michael, I really do. It's a terrible burden for you, so you need to find others 'to blame' for your actions.


You think it is my fault that those half witted dead beats cannot hold a ramshackle bunch of hooligans to account.

How odd.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 29 Dec 2017, 20:18

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Don’t be jealous, Yomp.


I work about 80 hours a week you are all fucking lightweights, I only bow to junior doctors in the 80s.


but only for six months a year.


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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Dec 2017, 21:30

yomptepi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
yomptepi wrote:I think it a measure of how desperately poor they are that the present cabinet are still in post,

Don't you?



Nope.

I think that the present Cabinet is still in post is because of the shockingly poor judgement of those, like you, that voted for them at the last Election.

I do understand why you want to deflect Michael, I really do. It's a terrible burden for you, so you need to find others 'to blame' for your actions.


You think it is my fault that those half witted dead beats cannot hold a ramshackle bunch of hooligans to account.

How odd.


No. I think it's your fault that you voted for them.

It seems pretty clear to me.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Dec 2017, 21:47

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yomptepi wrote:I think it a measure of how desperately poor they are that the present cabinet are still in post,

Don't you?



Nope.

I think that the present Cabinet is still in post is because of the shockingly poor judgement of those, like you, that voted for them at the last Election.

I do understand why you want to deflect Michael, I really do. It's a terrible burden for you, so you need to find others 'to blame' for your actions.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 30 Dec 2017, 00:08

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Diamond Dog wrote:
yomptepi wrote:I think it a measure of how desperately poor they are that the present cabinet are still in post,

Don't you?



Nope.

I think that the present Cabinet is still in post is because of the shockingly poor judgement of those, like you, that voted for them at the last Election.

I do understand why you want to deflect Michael, I really do. It's a terrible burden for you, so you need to find others 'to blame' for your actions.


So in your opinion, the current opposition has no requirement to hold the current government to account. Even when that government is in a minority, and even though the current opposition still fail to defeat them on anything meaningful. My goodness Pete, you really don't expect a lot from them do you. Which is just as well, as they have given you nothing.

And for the record, you have no idea how I voted, or even if i voted. Your flimsy accusations are like tattered sails in the wind. Sad really.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 30 Dec 2017, 01:25

yomptepi wrote:So in your opinion, the current opposition has no requirement to hold the current government to account. Even when that government is in a minority, and even though the current opposition still fail to defeat them on anything meaningful. My goodness Pete, you really don't expect a lot from them do you. Which is just as well, as they have given you nothing.

And for the record, you have no idea how I voted, or even if i voted. Your flimsy accusations are like tattered sails in the wind. Sad really.


It is a matter of perception, I think the opposition is doing a pretty good job at holding the government to account where it can split off Tories to vote against government, as on some of the Brexit lunacy that would allow ministers to make law without recourse to parliament, forcing the government to give MPs a vote on the final deal and forcing them to drop an absolute deadline.

If you don't think those things are meaningful then you are obviously a lot more blasé about brexit than I am.

The Conservatives have also had to drop practically everything in their manifesto from a fox hunting vote to Grammar schools because the opposition is united against them and there are enough wavering Tories to mean that the government cannot force them to a vote.

The opposition cannot defeat the government if the government is unified.

The perception of the opposition not holding the government to account comes from anti-Labour sources - much of the press and the TV news media including the BBC. I think you'll find that Labour supporters are by and large as happy as they can be in opposition and with the opposition, hence the historically high % of the population saying they will vote Labour.

The one major bone of contention is Brexit, Corbyn has to play a long game and a clever game because 64% of Labour voters backed remain but the country and a large minority of Labour supporters didn't. As a remainer I was not happy with his tactics to begin with but I have come to see that he is making a decent fist of a difficult position. He is giving the Tories the rope to hang themselves with and refusing to become involved and implicated in their Brexit. He has to allow them to wholly own this shambles so when it ends in disaster, as it surely will, it will fuck the Tories so badly I will be dead and gone before we see their kakocratic like in power again.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 30 Dec 2017, 11:10

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The perception of the opposition not holding the government to account comes from anti-Labour sources - much of the press and the TV news media including the BBC. I think you'll find that Labour supporters are by and large as happy as they can be in opposition and with the opposition, hence the historically high % of the population saying they will vote Labour..


Ah. Of course, The old " the press are always in the governments control" ploy. Like when Blair took over the BBC. Criminal times.

Copehead wrote:The one major bone of contention is Brexit, Corbyn has to play a long game and a clever game because 64% of Labour voters backed remain but the country and a large minority of Labour supporters didn't. As a remainer I was not happy with his tactics to begin with but I have come to see that he is making a decent fist of a difficult position. He is giving the Tories the rope to hang themselves with and refusing to become involved and implicated in their Brexit. He has to allow them to wholly own this shambles so when it ends in disaster, as it surely will, it will fuck the Tories so badly I will be dead and gone before we see their kakocratic like in power again.


do you have any idea at all what is gong on here in the UK?

What he is doing is keeping his head down. Sending out a different shadow minister every week to condescend to the house, and basically saying absolutely nothing. And a very wise play it is too, because who in their right mind would want to have to deal with brexit? Two thirds of Mp's are remainers, and yet they have to deliver the will of the people, which is to leave. Corbyn is by nature a loafer, as are his entire pathetic front bench. He is hardly going to volunteer to take on what s the most complicated and work intensive negotiations since the end of the war, is he? Who would? Far easier to sit back and let your rent a mob do all your dirty work on the internet, using children as pawns in your power play. He will wait until we leave ( which is what he wants) and then make his move. I think it could all be very amusing.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Samoan » 30 Dec 2017, 11:49

Corbyn will do precisely what he's told to do, as and when, by Champagne Socialist Seumas Milne and McDonnell.
He hasn't the wit to think for himself.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby German Dave » 30 Dec 2017, 12:49

Samoan wrote:Corbyn will do precisely what he's told to do, as and when, by Champagne Socialist Seumas Milne and McDonnell.
He hasn't the wit to think for himself.


Utter claptrap.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 30 Dec 2017, 16:34

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Samoan wrote:Corbyn will do precisely what he's told to do, as and when, by Champagne Socialist Seumas Milne and McDonnell.
He hasn't the wit to think for himself.


Utter claptrap.


No. She is right. Corbyn is a goon.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 30 Dec 2017, 20:39

yomptepi wrote:
German Dave wrote:
Samoan wrote:Corbyn will do precisely what he's told to do, as and when, by Champagne Socialist Seumas Milne and McDonnell.
He hasn't the wit to think for himself.


Utter claptrap.


No. She is right. Corbyn is a goon.


Much like you she regurgitates the Daily Mail in place of thinking, quite ironic she claims others lack the wit to think for themselves.

And of course the most stupid part of that regurgitated position is that shadowy, scheming "Champagne Socialists" would choose Corbyn, a man who apparently dresses like tramp, has the oratory skills of one of his allotment cabbages and is a hardline Maoist, to front the Labour party for them.

Witless doesn't come close to describing the mental acuity of someone who could present that position as their own, well thought out opinion.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby yomptepi » 31 Dec 2017, 00:33

Copehead wrote: Corbyn, a man who apparently dresses like tramp, has the oratory skills of one of his allotment cabbages and is a hardline Maoist.

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Why , you have him down to a tee.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Belle Lettre » 31 Dec 2017, 10:10

Couldn't you sleep, love?
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Belle Lettre wrote:Couldn't you sleep, love?


Guilty conscience

But I reckon we have Mike well on the way to being woke.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 01 Jan 2018, 03:03

Good to know that amidst all the Tory's incompetence and stupidity they haven't lost their sense of the absurd

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jan/01/toby-young-universities-regulator-office-for-students

Toby Young to help lead government's new universities regulator
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 03 Jan 2018, 00:24

Rapidly going pear shaped now the lies on his CV and his misogynistic, juvenile and hate filled writing and tweeting are being brought up.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/02/toby-young-office-students-cronyism-tories#comment-110342433

I mean who could have guessed that promoting a rent-a-gobshite whose only, self proclaimed, talent is alienating everyone he has ever come into contact with and who has never done a meaningful days work in his life could possibly back fire?

They must be baffled how this one has gone wrong.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Nick » 04 Jan 2018, 13:12

Copehead wrote:The one major bone of contention is Brexit, Corbyn has to play a long game and a clever game because 64% of Labour voters backed remain but the country and a large minority of Labour supporters didn't. As a remainer I was not happy with his tactics to begin with but I have come to see that he is making a decent fist of a difficult position. He is giving the Tories the rope to hang themselves with and refusing to become involved and implicated in their Brexit. He has to allow them to wholly own this shambles so when it ends in disaster, as it surely will, it will fuck the Tories so badly I will be dead and gone before we see their kakocratic like in power again.


The immediate problem Corbyn faces is that a new YouGov poll suggests nearly 80% of Labour members want a second referendum, or a 'ratification referendum' as Clive Lewis termed it yesterday on Radio 4. He will have to tackle that issue at some point.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Nick wrote:
Copehead wrote:The one major bone of contention is Brexit, Corbyn has to play a long game and a clever game because 64% of Labour voters backed remain but the country and a large minority of Labour supporters didn't. As a remainer I was not happy with his tactics to begin with but I have come to see that he is making a decent fist of a difficult position. He is giving the Tories the rope to hang themselves with and refusing to become involved and implicated in their Brexit. He has to allow them to wholly own this shambles so when it ends in disaster, as it surely will, it will fuck the Tories so badly I will be dead and gone before we see their kakocratic like in power again.


The immediate problem Corbyn faces is that a new YouGov poll suggests nearly 80% of Labour members want a second referendum, or a 'ratification referendum' as Clive Lewis termed it yesterday on Radio 4. He will have to tackle that issue at some point.


On the left they are always being told that the Labour membership are not the same as Labour voters.
The critical difference is that Labour members are more engaged with politics and more nuanced in their politics.
One of the tings I would imagine most of them think about Brexit is that is absolutely essential that Labour do not get involved in a way where the Tories can share out any blame on this.
It is there shit sandwich, they must be made to eat it.

It is fine joining with Tory backbenchers to defeat stupid and totalitarian things the Tories try to bring through with Brexit, today getting students taken off immigration target figures, which would be a massive boon for your sector. But by and large Corbyn and the Labour Party as a whole must not be associated with this national disaster.

There is no point jumping up and down and shouting about a second referendum unless you can deliver it with Tory back benchers, otherwise it is just grandstanding to no positive effect, it won't make many people, or any people, more likely to vote Labour and it could alienate a few Northern Turkeys.

Sit back and watch the Tories try and eat a shit sandwich, when it all collapses step in and take over and then offer a second referendum.
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Copehead wrote:The critical difference is that Labour members are more engaged with politics and more nuanced in their politics.
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Copehead wrote: it could alienate a few Northern Turkeys.

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