May still desperately clinging on to power

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Goat Boy » 23 Mar 2018, 17:46

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yomptepi wrote:You think the Russians have the slightest interest in any proof we come up with. They couldn't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut.


Surely it's about us getting concrete proof so any thing we do has the force of law behind it - and moral conviction too.


There is no concrete proof though in these sorta things and the Russians know that. That's not how it works. It's about probabilities and the security services have obviously deemed it high probability the Russians did this and we need to determine whether this is enough. Personally I think this should be enough. Not only are these cunts interfering in western elections there is a high probability that they are murdering people on our streets.

Cut the crap.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 23 Mar 2018, 17:46

So that would be "yes Pete, that would be much more beneficial than us going in half cocked and possibly making ourselves look fucking stupid ".

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Goat Boy wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
yomptepi wrote:You think the Russians have the slightest interest in any proof we come up with. They couldn't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut.


Surely it's about us getting concrete proof so any thing we do has the force of law behind it - and moral conviction too.


There is no concrete proof though in these sorta things and the Russians know that. That's not how it works. It's about probabilities and the security services have obviously deemed it high probability the Russians did this and we need to determine whether this is enough. Personally I think this should be enough. Not only are these cunts interfering in western elections there is a high probability that they are murdering people on our streets.

Cut the crap.


Excuse me for wanting some evidence that stands up to independent examination.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Diamond Dog wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Surely it's about us getting concrete proof so any thing we do has the force of law behind it - and moral conviction too.


There is no concrete proof though in these sorta things and the Russians know that. That's not how it works. It's about probabilities and the security services have obviously deemed it high probability the Russians did this and we need to determine whether this is enough. Personally I think this should be enough. Not only are these cunts interfering in western elections there is a high probability that they are murdering people on our streets.

Cut the crap.


Excuse me for wanting some evidence that stands up to independent examination.


So you don't trust our security services. You would rather take the word of a dictator than that of our security specialists.

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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yomptepi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
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There is no concrete proof though in these sorta things and the Russians know that. That's not how it works. It's about probabilities and the security services have obviously deemed it high probability the Russians did this and we need to determine whether this is enough. Personally I think this should be enough. Not only are these cunts interfering in western elections there is a high probability that they are murdering people on our streets.

Cut the crap.


Excuse me for wanting some evidence that stands up to independent examination.


So you don't trust our security services. You would rather take the word of a dictator than that of our security specialists.

I didn't realise how bad things had got in Wallingford...


Is that the same security services that manufactured the dodgy dossier?

Let's get one thing straight - I happen to believe Putin is behind it.

But I cannot for the life of me see what possible harm it would do to get some independent back up for that claim.

Why are you all so scared of waiting for just that?
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Diamond Dog wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Surely it's about us getting concrete proof so any thing we do has the force of law behind it - and moral conviction too.


There is no concrete proof though in these sorta things and the Russians know that. That's not how it works. It's about probabilities and the security services have obviously deemed it high probability the Russians did this and we need to determine whether this is enough. Personally I think this should be enough. Not only are these cunts interfering in western elections there is a high probability that they are murdering people on our streets.

Cut the crap.


Excuse me for wanting some evidence that stands up to independent examination.


There will never be a smoking gun. That's not how this shit works. It's about probabilities and in the opinion of our experts (the British security services) there is high probability (i.e. as certain as these things get) that the it was the Russians wot done it.

Out government should act accordingly.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Read above.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Diamond Dog wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Excuse me for wanting some evidence that stands up to independent examination.


So you don't trust our security services. You would rather take the word of a dictator than that of our security specialists.

I didn't realise how bad things had got in Wallingford...


Is that the same security services that manufactured the dodgy dossier?

Let's get one thing straight - I happen to believe Putin is behind it.

But I cannot for the life of me see what possible harm it would do to get some independent back up for that claim.

Why are you all so scared of waiting for just that?


No it isn't the same security services that produced the dodgy dossier. That was Blair and Campbell. Why do you think they murdered David Kelly?
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Get fucked Jimbo.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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Goat Boy wrote:[

...in the opinion of our experts (the British security services) there is high probability (i.e. as certain as these things get)
that it was the Russians wot done it.

Our government should act accordingly.


And do what exactly?

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Goat Boy » 23 Mar 2018, 18:09

caramba wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:[

...in the opinion of our experts (the British security services) there is high probability (i.e. as certain as these things get)
that it was the Russians wot done it.

Our government should act accordingly.


And do what exactly?


How the hell do I know what they should do?
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Deebank » 23 Mar 2018, 18:11

Slap the Russian ambassador around the face with a glove and demand satisfaction goddammit!

Putin has 'plausible deniability' with the people he needs it with. The rest can go fuck 'emselves.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 23 Mar 2018, 22:57

It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that the party that accepted £3 million quid from Putin cronies over the last few years and the man who accepted £160,000 to play a game of tennis against one of Putin's best mates are tough on Russia whilst Corbyn is a Kremlin stooge for suggesting we wait to see the evidence and don't rush to judgement.

I exempt Mike because unthinking tribal Conservatism is a different sort of stupid. But people claiming to be centrist or left of center and think this are deluding themselves about their political affiliations.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Copehead » 24 Mar 2018, 00:21

From the latest Private Eye.


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23 Russian diplomats expelled by prime minister Theresa May following the Salisbury attack

650 'Investor visas' granted to Russians with with millions in cash to spare by then home secretary Theresa May who last week said of the country's 'corrupt elite' that 'there is no place for these people - or their money - in our country.'
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Postby Butch Manly » 25 Mar 2018, 10:25

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How the hell do I know what they should do?


Well, you did put yourself forward as an expert on "how this shit works."
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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https://www.lawfareblog.com/uk-prime-ministers-speech-russian-poisoning-sergei-skripal-decoding-signals

Right, because claiming that there is rarely a smoking gun, no conclusive proof in such situations is me acting like some kind of expert. Like I’ve said, it’s about probabilities and whether We are going to act based on the “high” probability that it was the Russians. I’ll leave the how to the government and our allies to work out.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

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During all this hysteria about Anti-semitism in the Labour Party we should remember that only one party leader has made a speech about how dangerous "citizens of nowhere" are:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-mein-kampf-adolf-hitler-nazi-vince-cable-liberal-democrat-conservatives-a7825381.html

Vince Cable has launched a blistering attack on Theresa May, accusing of delivering a speech that “could have been taken out of Mein Kampf”.

The likely next Liberal Democrat leader condemned the Prime Minister’s attack, last year, on a global elite - as “citizens of nowhere” - for apeing Adolf Hitler’s infamous book.

“I thought that particular phrase was quite evil,”


Hear that anti-semitic dog whistle, I wonder why no one is talking about that?

And here is the data about which party actually has a problem with anti-semitism:

https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/what-mainstream-media-dont-want-you-to.html

No surprises that it is the Tories.

Which leads us to think about what this is all about, walks like a concerted smear campaign, quacks like a co-ordinated smear campaign.......
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Copehead wrote:During all this hysteria about Anti-semitism in the Labour Party we should remember that only one party leader has made a speech about how dangerous "citizens of nowhere" are:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-mein-kampf-adolf-hitler-nazi-vince-cable-liberal-democrat-conservatives-a7825381.html

Vince Cable has launched a blistering attack on Theresa May, accusing of delivering a speech that “could have been taken out of Mein Kampf”.

The likely next Liberal Democrat leader condemned the Prime Minister’s attack, last year, on a global elite - as “citizens of nowhere” - for apeing Adolf Hitler’s infamous book.

“I thought that particular phrase was quite evil,”


Hear that anti-semitic dog whistle, I wonder why no one is talking about that?

And here is the data about which party actually has a problem with anti-semitism:

https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/what-mainstream-media-dont-want-you-to.html

No surprises that it is the Tories.

Which leads us to think about what this is all about, walks like a concerted smear campaign, quacks like a co-ordinated smear campaign.......


And there it is again. labour has a problem with anti antisemitism. But it does not matter because guess what? That's right. The conservatives have a problem with anti antisemitism. Well that makes labour's problems with antisemitism irrelevant, doesn't it, because the Tories are almost certainly antisemitic too. In fact, in the present climate , even daring to mention if someone , is , was or might ever have been a Jew, been to Israel, or dares to have an opinion on Arab affairs is , by definition, antisemitic. Which is , of course, exactly where the Israeli's want us to be right now. Untouchable. So let's all just admit were are all intrinsically anti Semite, and move on , shall we. Oh , hang on , we can't because the labour party are too busy tearing themselves apart over it. As you were then.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 01 Apr 2018, 16:58

Well I suppose it's better to be tearing yourself apart about a perceived anti-semitism problem than not caring enough about it to do anything.

Thank about that.
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