May calls a snap election on June 8

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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Deebank » 20 Apr 2017, 10:39

yomptepi wrote:
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Like all cod socialists, you seem to have completely forgotten about the thirteen years of Labour government, when all the policies you mention as being Tory policies, were carried out with some enthusiasm. Certainly much of the financial burden on Schools and Hospitals is down to the Labour party's voracious appetite for Private finance initiatives,and those extortionate 30 year fixed interest repayments Blair was so keen to " take advantage " of.


I haven't forgotten I just consider Blair to be more Tory than socialist. Always have done.
Shit as he was, he was still a million times better than the tory alternative. William Hague :lol: , Michael Howerd :lol: Ian fucking Duncan aresehole Smith :lol: :lol: :lol:

We may have ended up in the shite, but we dodged a few bullets on our way down the pan.


Which surely plays into Toby's theory of the tory's being the natural party of government. If you regard Blair as a tory, then we have had a conservative government since 1979, and Labour really are dead.


Blair was a tory but Labour are not the Tories.
They managed to change some things for the better, shift the paradigm a bit - check out Osbourne crowing about the living wage!
And you and I both know that the shit that Blair pulled loff would at least have been as bad under any of the three stooges mentioned above. You think Hague wouldn't have followed W into Iraq :lol: right :roll:
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby yomptepi » 20 Apr 2017, 10:42

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I haven't forgotten I just consider Blair to be more Tory than socialist. Always have done.
Shit as he was, he was still a million times better than the tory alternative. William Hague :lol: , Michael Howerd :lol: Ian fucking Duncan aresehole Smith :lol: :lol: :lol:

We may have ended up in the shite, but we dodged a few bullets on our way down the pan.


Which surely plays into Toby's theory of the tory's being the natural party of government. If you regard Blair as a tory, then we have had a conservative government since 1979, and Labour really are dead.


Blair was a tory but Labour are not the Tories.
They managed to change some things for the better, shift the paradigm a bit - check out Osbourne crowing about the living wage!
And you and I both know that the shit that Blair pulled loff would at least have been as bad under any of the three stooges mentioned above. You think Hague wouldn't have followed W into Iraq :lol: right :roll:


Conjecture. I don't agree they would have concocted the dodgy dossier, or lied to parliament in quite the same way. Note how Cameron bowed to parliament over bombing Syria. Blair would have lied and lied and bombed them anyway.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Diamond Dog » 20 Apr 2017, 10:44

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And Tony Blair wouldn't have had a referendum on our membership of the EU in three consecutive manifesto's. The fact that he reneged on that vote three times speaks volumes. I still have no idea why Cameron thought it was a good idea...


Yes you do. To appease the swivel eyed wing of his party.

You're being disingenuous - you fully well know that's the reason.


Not at all. He was on a roll. And then he calls a referendum on something he clearly has given absolutely no thought to. He had no idea what the mood of the country was. He had done nothing to measure the mood of our European partners, and he had no plans on what he would do if we voted leave. It is almost as if decided to do it on a whim.


In that case you're ignoring the obvious. The only reason he agreed to the Brexit vote was because the right wing of his party had told him they wouldn't support him unless he did so. So - no Dave as PM.

So, as always, the Conservative Leader puts their own career in front of the good of the country.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Toby » 20 Apr 2017, 10:46

What do people think about John McDonnell saying if you earn over £70K a year, you are rich?

Another own goal there I think.

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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby yomptepi » 20 Apr 2017, 10:48

Toby wrote:What do people think about John McDonnell saying if you earn over £70K a year, you are rich?

Another own goal there I think.



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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Deebank » 20 Apr 2017, 10:50

Toby wrote:What do people think about John McDonnell saying if you earn over £70K a year, you are rich?

Another own goal there I think.


It's true isn't it?
What percentage of the population earn over £70k?
5%?

It's certainly more than double the average salary.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Diamond Dog » 20 Apr 2017, 10:51

yomptepi wrote:
Toby wrote:What do people think about John McDonnell saying if you earn over £70K a year, you are rich?

Another own goal there I think.



John McDonnell is a witless cunt.


There is something deeply unedifying about him, it must be said.

He is like Tebbit was to Thatcher. And Watson is like Howe.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Deebank » 20 Apr 2017, 10:52

yomptepi wrote:
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Which surely plays into Toby's theory of the tory's being the natural party of government. If you regard Blair as a tory, then we have had a conservative government since 1979, and Labour really are dead.


Blair was a tory but Labour are not the Tories.
They managed to change some things for the better, shift the paradigm a bit - check out Osbourne crowing about the living wage!
And you and I both know that the shit that Blair pulled loff would at least have been as bad under any of the three stooges mentioned above. You think Hague wouldn't have followed W into Iraq :lol: right :roll:


Conjecture. I don't agree they would have concocted the dodgy dossier, or lied to parliament in quite the same way. Note how Cameron bowed to parliament over bombing Syria. Blair would have lied and lied and bombed them anyway.


And that is also conjecture :lol:
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby yomptepi » 20 Apr 2017, 10:55

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And that is also conjecture :lol:


With the exception that I threw in something that actually happened...
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Diamond Dog » 20 Apr 2017, 10:57

Deebank wrote:
Toby wrote:What do people think about John McDonnell saying if you earn over £70K a year, you are rich?

Another own goal there I think.


It's true isn't it?
What percentage of the population earn over £70k?
5%?

It's certainly more than double the average salary.


It seems to be 10%.

http://www.salarygraph.co.uk/
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Deebank » 20 Apr 2017, 10:59

Diamond Dog wrote:
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Toby wrote:What do people think about John McDonnell saying if you earn over £70K a year, you are rich?

Another own goal there I think.


It's true isn't it?
What percentage of the population earn over £70k?
5%?

It's certainly more than double the average salary.


It seems to be 10%.

http://www.salarygraph.co.uk/


Surely earning more than twice the average makes you rich doesn't it?
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby yomptepi » 20 Apr 2017, 11:01

I did read that in order to buy a flat in London these days , you need to be earning at least 70K. Which would imply that it was a basic requirement , rather than being rich. Of course , in the rest of the UK , 70K would be a very comfortable salary.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

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It's true isn't it?
What percentage of the population earn over £70k?
5%?

It's certainly more than double the average salary.


It seems to be 10%.

http://www.salarygraph.co.uk/


Surely earning more than twice the average makes you rich doesn't it?


Not if your outgoings are more than triple.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Toby » 20 Apr 2017, 11:05

I think it entirely depends on the definition of "rich".

"Rich" to me at least, is comfortably well off. Sending your kids to private school (fees are around £15 to 18K a year). Being able to invest freely. Going somewhere hot at Xmas, Skiing at feb half-term.

My wife earns around £70K, but I don't work. We can afford to go on a 2 week holiday once a year, we aren't mortgaged to the hilt, go out to eat maybe twice a month and can save a bit of money each month. But rich? No.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Diamond Dog » 20 Apr 2017, 11:07

Isn't that definition for one person, not a couple though?
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Deebank » 20 Apr 2017, 11:08

OK look at it another way. Being in the top 10% of earners makes you rich by most people's standards - it's all relative of course.

If your outgoings are high it's because you have expensive tastes or live somewhere desirable.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Darkness_Fish » 20 Apr 2017, 11:09

yomptepi wrote:I did read that in order to buy a flat in London these days , you need to be earning at least 70K. Which would imply that it was a basic requirement , rather than being rich. Of course , in the rest of the UK , 70K would be a very comfortable salary.

Surely that would depend on the area, and a presumption that you live on your own? £70k would be a very comfortable salary, even in London.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Darkness_Fish » 20 Apr 2017, 11:12

*edit Hmm - salary graph appears to be fucked when comparing against area.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby yomptepi » 20 Apr 2017, 11:13

Darkness_Fish wrote:
yomptepi wrote:I did read that in order to buy a flat in London these days , you need to be earning at least 70K. Which would imply that it was a basic requirement , rather than being rich. Of course , in the rest of the UK , 70K would be a very comfortable salary.

Surely that would depend on the area, and a presumption that you live on your own? £70k would be a very comfortable salary, even in London.


If you have a mortgage of 2K a month ( average in London), a car loan, ( normal), and two kids ( average), you would be a JAM in London.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Deebank » 20 Apr 2017, 11:16

But clearly he wasn't talking about London, he was talking about the UK as a whole.
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