May still desperately clinging on to power

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby neville from norwich » 10 Jul 2017, 12:36

Ooh look, there's an iceberg over there. We seem to be heading straight for it!

Not my problem, I didn't put it there.


I dunno, perhaps people should evolve?
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Goat Boy » 10 Jul 2017, 12:46

The Tories know this is going to backfire on them but at the same time Labour have a duty to the country to minimise the damage I think. The challenge for Labour is to still appeal to Remainers through backing a soft brexit and the less fanatical hard Leavers. It’s a smart move by the Tories and Labour will not emerge unscathed either way. But yeah, the Tories created this mess and they ultimately should be held responsible.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby fire and fueryIre » 10 Jul 2017, 12:57

Wonder how long it will be before David Cameron, the architect of this massive clusterfuck, pops into Buck House to collect his K?
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby The Great Defector » 10 Jul 2017, 13:30

fueryIre wrote:Wonder how long it will be before David Cameron, the architect of this massive clusterfuck, pops into Buck House to collect his K?


Is K really a "prize", I mean have you talked with him on here? ;)
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 10 Jul 2017, 13:37

Goat Boy wrote:The Tories know this is going to backfire on them but at the same time Labour have a duty to the country to minimise the damage I think. The challenge for Labour is to still appeal to Remainers through backing a soft brexit and the less fanatical hard Leavers. It’s a smart move by the Tories and Labour will not emerge unscathed either way. But yeah, the Tories created this mess and they ultimately should be held responsible.


Is the correct answer.

Labour may take a few knocks along the way but they will be surface scratches compared to the public mauling the Tories will take.

As for it being a smart move - I'm not sure. I think even the great unwashed British public can see a political shenanigan when it's so brazenly presented to them. The idea that the Govt are just going to call up whoever they need when they need them (DUP, Labour etc) over different issues, without being sussed for being hopelessly incompetent, is just not going to happen. They are exposed.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Nick » 10 Jul 2017, 13:55

Diamond Dog wrote:And you don't think the Conservatives having to go back to the country because they can't implement Brexit, or putting together a catastrophe of a Brexit, will not adversely effect them?


I don't believe I denied it would adversely effect them.


Diamond Dog wrote:You can claim whatever you want about the Labour leadership view on Brexit - we all know that McDonnell and Corbyn want it. So what? They didn't ask for the referendum or the result


The morning the result was announced, Corbyn called for Article 50 to be triggered immediately. He's been explicitly calling for Britain to leave the EU for decades. So yes, he did de facto ask for the referendum, numerous times.


Diamond Dog wrote:Or even be seen to be aiding the implementation. That's strictly for the Tories to do - no matter how much May (and yourself) try and pull Corbyn into it, it's simply not his problem.


It's not their job to implement it per se, it is their job to hold the government to account while they are doing it.

But I think that they have to be seen to be doing it in the spirit of Brexit, as it were. Because yes in one way it's the Tories' problem, but also it's OUR problem as a country. What happens with Brexit affects us all, and I think a lot of people hold the view that it behooves anyone who cares about the future of this country not to work in a way that sabotages our chances of obtaining the best possible deal. It's going to be a fine line to walk for Labour. It remains to be seen if Corbyn's team are up to it.


Diamond Dog wrote:That's why your presumption about Labour's dilemma is bollocks.


Labour's dilemma exists. It may not be as bad a predicament as the one that the Conservatives are in, but it's there. As I say, the Labour leadership will need to walk a very fine line with it, to avoid the repercussions I've mentioned.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Deebank » 10 Jul 2017, 13:58

I think Labour played is right.
Tell them to fuck off and call them incompetent while doing it.
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Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 10 Jul 2017, 14:09

Deebank wrote:I think Labour played is right.
Tell them to fuck off and call them incompetent while doing it.


With all due reservations for not being British -

my thoughts.

Tories have babbled on endlessly for endlessly long years about how each person, no matter how poor and ill, should manage himself, take full responsibility for all actions, face the consequences, no matter how dire these are.

It is wonderful time for the Tories: at last they can apply this responsible and adult advice to themselves.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby The Great Defector » 10 Jul 2017, 14:20

Apparently we're in for a major job boost, with british companies moving to or opening up a branch here in Ireland. The kind of british invasion I don't mind.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Darryl Strawberry » 10 Jul 2017, 14:55

The Great Defector wrote:
fueryIre wrote:Wonder how long it will be before David Cameron, the architect of this massive clusterfuck, pops into Buck House to collect his K?


Is K really a "prize", I mean have you talked with him on here? ;)

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 10 Jul 2017, 15:51

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fueryIre wrote:Wonder how long it will be before David Cameron, the architect of this massive clusterfuck, pops into Buck House to collect his K?


Is K really a "prize", I mean have you talked with him on here? ;)

You know I am.


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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby The Great Defector » 10 Jul 2017, 16:01

Loki wrote:You Brit boys are so contentious!

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Nick » 10 Jul 2017, 16:14



Where do you begin with the the sheer mindboggling ignorance and idiocy of something like this? Christ.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby The Great Defector » 10 Jul 2017, 16:19

Nick wrote:


Where do you begin with the the sheer mindboggling ignorance and idiocy of something like this? Christ.



I reckon a conversation switching effort of "It was made in private, and it was an invasion of privacy even though she what she said was wrong" etc etc.
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 10 Jul 2017, 16:24

...and what about Anne Marie Morris?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 33786.html
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 10 Jul 2017, 16:26

Bride Of Sea Of Tunes wrote:...and what about Anne Marie Morris?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 33786.html



What?! There are two of them?

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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Diamond Dog » 10 Jul 2017, 16:29

Good to see the BBC issuing the apology after not responding to the original comment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40555639
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby The Great Defector » 10 Jul 2017, 16:34

Bride Of Sea Of Tunes wrote:...and what about Anne Marie Morris?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 33786.html



Beat you to it. ;)
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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Harvey K-Tel » 10 Jul 2017, 18:33

Nick wrote:


Where do you begin with the the sheer mindboggling ignorance and idiocy of something like this? Christ.


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Re: May still desperately clinging on to power

Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 10 Jul 2017, 18:38

The Great Defector wrote:
Bride Of Sea Of Tunes wrote:...and what about Anne Marie Morris?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 33786.html



Beat you to it. ;)


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