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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Deebank » 18 May 2017, 08:25

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Goat Boy wrote:I get that. I'm just saying hiring a communist to do the job might not play well with voters Labour would do well to win over.


Sadly, winning voters over is pretty much a lost cause.

With Corbyn, Abbott et al having seemingly dissuaded so many core past Labour voters (myself included) from voting from this time out and looking as though they have pushed many of the same group (myself most definitely not included) into voting Tory, I think hanging on to the rump of what support they had is going to be a tough struggle.


Even current polls show Corbyn increasing the Labour % over Miliband.
The death of UKIP and refusal of the LibDems to rise phoenix-like in Tory areas is what is giving the Tories the lead, if it isn't just polling bias.

So people like you are a bitter twisted minority who had no place in Labour Party historically anyway.

If you think Corbyn is left wing Harold Wilson would have stunned you and Attlee probably put you into a dead a feint, even MacMillan would have been too rich for your thin blood.


Christ's hairy cock man! That's tantamount to saying Corbyn's heading for a 200 seat majority doncha know!
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby yomptepi » 18 May 2017, 09:07

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Copehead wrote:
fueryIre wrote:
Sadly, winning voters over is pretty much a lost cause.

With Corbyn, Abbott et al having seemingly dissuaded so many core past Labour voters (myself included) from voting from this time out and looking as though they have pushed many of the same group (myself most definitely not included) into voting Tory, I think hanging on to the rump of what support they had is going to be a tough struggle.


Even current polls show Corbyn increasing the Labour % over Miliband.
The death of UKIP and refusal of the LibDems to rise phoenix-like in Tory areas is what is giving the Tories the lead, if it isn't just polling bias.

So people like you are a bitter twisted minority who had no place in Labour Party historically anyway.

If you think Corbyn is left wing Harold Wilson would have stunned you and Attlee probably put you into a dead a feint, even MacMillan would have been too rich for your thin blood.


Christ's hairy cock man! That's tantamount to saying Corbyn's heading for a 200 seat majority doncha know!


I was going to say the same thing.

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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby fire and fueryIre » 18 May 2017, 09:13

Copehead wrote:
fueryIre wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:I get that. I'm just saying hiring a communist to do the job might not play well with voters Labour would do well to win over.


Sadly, winning voters over is pretty much a lost cause.

With Corbyn, Abbott et al having seemingly dissuaded so many core past Labour voters (myself included) from voting from this time out and looking as though they have pushed many of the same group (myself most definitely not included) into voting Tory, I think hanging on to the rump of what support they had is going to be a tough struggle.


Even current polls show Corbyn increasing the Labour % over Miliband.
The death of UKIP and refusal of the LibDems to rise phoenix-like in Tory areas is what is giving the Tories the lead, if it isn't just polling bias.

So people like you are a bitter twisted minority who had no place in Labour Party historically anyway.

If you think Corbyn is left wing Harold Wilson would have stunned you and Attlee probably put you into a dead a feint, even MacMillan would have been too rich for your thin blood.


Not got me on 'ignore' like you swore you swore blind you were going to then, Copey?

Before I reply to your points in more detail below and you start screaming ad hominem attack like you always do when someone gives you a taste of the abuse you dish out but are unable to take yourself, let's first examine the typically ham-fisted attempt at a put down you buried in the middle of your post...

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So people like you are a bitter twisted minority who had no place in Labour Party historically anyway.



Like you know anything about me or my family history, you arrogant twat. It must be hell on earth for the poor fuckers cooped up on a boat with you, you fat humourless Welsh windbag.

Copehead wrote:
Even current polls show Corbyn increasing the Labour % over Miliband.
The death of UKIP and refusal of the LibDems to rise phoenix-like in Tory areas is what is giving the Tories the lead, if it isn't just polling bias.



Someone (Einstein? Chuck Jones?) once defined fanaticism/stupidity (pretty much the same thing in your case) involving repeating an action over and over again and expecting a different result. All rather like you and those opinion polls you cling to in much the same way as a baby who's just pissed itself clings to a comforter.

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If you think Corbyn is left wing Harold Wilson would have stunned you and Attlee probably put you into a dead a feint, even MacMillan would have been too rich for your thin blood.



I actually voted for Wilson twice in 1974 so stick that in your Welsh cake and eat it. Wasn't alive when Attlee was in charge. If I were, I would have voted for him, too.

If you were alive in the mid-40s, it might explain you rather befuddled thinking in comparing Corbyn to Attlee and even Wilson. Your doing so ultimately just shows what a pitiful understanding of political history you have.

Given that you spent so much of your life at sea (both physically and metaphorically), I'd be watching my back very carefully each time I waddled out onto deck to lean my considerable girth on the starboard rail.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Copehead » 18 May 2017, 09:48

fueryIre wrote:Not got me on 'ignore' like you swore you swore blind you were going to then, Copey?


No it isnt a good policy in my view, you tested me but I overcame it.

Before I reply to your points in more detail below and you start screaming ad hominem attack like you always do when someone gives you a taste of the abuse you dish out but are unable to take yourself, let's first examine the typically ham-fisted attempt at a put down you buried in the middle of your post...


oooh great :)



Like you know anything about me or my family history, you arrogant twat. It must be hell on earth for the poor fuckers cooped up on a boat with you, you fat humourless Welsh windbag.


I just have to say perhaps Social Democracy isn't for you if you think Corbyn's manifesto is dangerously left wing. It contains many policies the Tories have seen fit to steal and others that are mainstream in most European countries - like social ownership of natural monopolies. Even the trains in teh US are state run for fuck's sake.

Just what is it that is scaring your horses?

because if it is just that these policies make you unelectable in the UK then I would say that the Labour Party should just grasp that nettle, there is no point them being a pale 20th copy reprint of the Tories in the hope that they would gain power, because to what end if they can't be a Social Democratic party?

And one thing I am not is humourless, you need to chose insults that actually work, like windbag. Also Welsh isn't an insult unless you are a bit of a twat.


Someone (Einstein? Chuck Jones?) once defined fanaticism/stupidity (pretty much the same thing in your case) involving repeating an action over and over again and expecting a different result. All rather like you and those opinion polls you cling to in much the same way as a baby who's just pissed itself clings to a comforter.


I wasn't clinging to anything, just pointing out that you were, as usual, factually wrong. People aren't deserting the Labour Party, they may well increase their share of the vote fromm teh last election, they are deserting UKIP and the LibDems and sadly look like they are flocking to the Tories, much good it will do them.


I actually voted for Wilson twice in 1974 so stick that in your Welsh cake and eat it. Wasn't alive when Attlee was in charge. If I were, I would have voted for him, too.


I can only surmise you have gone senile and forgotten what you were actually voting for then.

My condolences, the Tories are going to make you sell your house to pay for the dribble wipers the bastards
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby fire and fueryIre » 18 May 2017, 10:53

Copehead wrote:
fueryIre wrote:Not got me on 'ignore' like you swore you swore blind you were going to then, Copey?


No it isnt a good policy in my view, you tested me but I overcame it.

Before I reply to your points in more detail below and you start screaming ad hominem attack like you always do when someone gives you a taste of the abuse you dish out but are unable to take yourself, let's first examine the typically ham-fisted attempt at a put down you buried in the middle of your post...


oooh great :)



Like you know anything about me or my family history, you arrogant twat. It must be hell on earth for the poor fuckers cooped up on a boat with you, you fat humourless Welsh windbag.


I just have to say perhaps Social Democracy isn't for you if you think Corbyn's manifesto is dangerously left wing. It contains many policies the Tories have seen fit to steal and others that are mainstream in most European countries - like social ownership of natural monopolies. Even the trains in teh US are state run for fuck's sake.

Just what is it that is scaring your horses?

because if it is just that these policies make you unelectable in the UK then I would say that the Labour Party should just grasp that nettle, there is no point them being a pale 20th copy reprint of the Tories in the hope that they would gain power, because to what end if they can't be a Social Democratic party?

And one thing I am not is humourless, you need to chose insults that actually work, like windbag. Also Welsh isn't an insult unless you are a bit of a twat.


Someone (Einstein? Chuck Jones?) once defined fanaticism/stupidity (pretty much the same thing in your case) involving repeating an action over and over again and expecting a different result. All rather like you and those opinion polls you cling to in much the same way as a baby who's just pissed itself clings to a comforter.


I wasn't clinging to anything, just pointing out that you were, as usual, factually wrong. People aren't deserting the Labour Party, they may well increase their share of the vote fromm teh last election, they are deserting UKIP and the LibDems and sadly look like they are flocking to the Tories, much good it will do them.


I actually voted for Wilson twice in 1974 so stick that in your Welsh cake and eat it. Wasn't alive when Attlee was in charge. If I were, I would have voted for him, too.


I can only surmise you have gone senile and forgotten what you were actually voting for then.

My condolences, the Tories are going to make you sell your house to pay for the dribble wipers the bastards


And above in a nutshell is precisely what is wrong with the labour party c 2017.

Starting with visionary thinkers like Nye Bevan, we've devolved
to vacant-minded humourless bigots like the board's resident Nye Bovine.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby fire and fueryIre » 18 May 2017, 11:31

Copehead wrote:
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Not got me on 'ignore' like you swore you swore blind you were going to then, Copey?



No it isnt a good policy in my view, you tested me but I overcame it.



Copey's pledges - about as trustworthy as those of his hero, the socialist titan, JC!


Copehead wrote:

I just have to say perhaps Social Democracy isn't for you if you think Corbyn's manifesto is dangerously left wing. It contains many policies the Tories have seen fit to steal and others that are mainstream in most European countries - like social ownership of natural monopolies. Even the trains in teh US are state run for fuck's sake.




Could you show me where I said I thought "JC's manifesto [was] dangerously left wing?"

Er, no you can't because I never said it. My problem with JC et al isn't their policies, it's their tragic lack of any kind of credible leadership when it comes to A) getting elected and B) actually trying to turn those pre-election promises into post-election legislation.

Copehead wrote:
And one thing I am not is humourless, you need to chose insults that actually work, like windbag. Also Welsh isn't an insult unless you are a bit of a twat.



Says the man who, when jokingly pulled up about his mindless parroting of JC's "ordinary decent people" on an earlier thread, spat the dummy and asked for jokes to have smileys attached so he could understand that they weren't personal attacks on what he perceives to be his dignity.

Sorry re the Welsh bit, btw. it just sounds so alliteratively perfect with windbag immediately after it

Copehead wrote:
fueryIre wrote:

I actually voted for Wilson twice in 1974 so stick that in your Welsh cake and eat it. Wasn't alive when Attlee was in charge. If I were, I would have voted for him, too.



I can only surmise you have gone senile and forgotten what you were actually voting for then.

My condolences, the Tories are going to make you sell your house to pay for the dribble wipers the bastards



And while we're on the topic of your lack of any kind of sense of humour.

It's telling that in shamelessly stealing my joke about your being senile in an attempt to prove you do possess a sense of humour, you chose to delete the entire set up about your frankly absurd assertion that JC was in some way comparable to Wilson or Attlee.

But then given your intolerance of views other than your own (and your arrogant dismissal of those who dare to express them), when have you ever been other than selective in responding to naysayers' posts or less than indiscriminate in the nonssense you spout here yourself.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Nick » 18 May 2017, 15:15

Copehead wrote:Any evidence of him being an apologist for Stalin and North Korea in his adult life


Yes. He's written a couple of articles for the Morning Star, in 1999 and again in 2008, on the 'positive' aspects of Stalin's USSR, and in 2003 he declared the CPB's position of solidarity with "Peoples' Korea".

Christs' sake, he was a member of Communist parties for 40 years. He joined Labour about two minutes ago.


Copehead wrote:Do you really think this kind of red white and blue McCarthyism is a good look for you?


I don't really think about it. I'm raising things that concern me greatly, because I would like a decent, reasonable and effective centre left Labour party that I could in conscience vote for. I also would like a competent opposition in this country, not the bunch of tragically inept fantasist fools that are currently running Labour.

If people like Kendall, Starmer, Hilary Benn, Cooper, Burnham, John Mann and Dan Jarvis were in charge, I'd enthusiastically vote Labour. But Corbyn's lot? A bunch of useless, morally grubby far left creeps and oddballs? Fuck that.


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Yes. A lot.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby Diamond Dog » 18 May 2017, 15:46

Nick wrote:If people like Kendall, Starmer, Hilary Benn, Cooper, Burnham, John Mann and Dan Jarvis were in charge, I'd enthusiastically vote Labour.


Like everyone did last time around, when they were?
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

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Decisive leadership, Dianne Abbott-style

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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

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fueryIre wrote:[qu

Starting with visionary thinkers like Nye Bevan, we've devolved
to vacant-minded humourless bigots like the board's resident Nye Bovine.


Now that is good :lol:

Of course Nye was vilified as a Commie in the 40s and he'd be vilified as a commie today, apparently with your enthusiastic backing of claims of unelectability
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

Postby fire and fueryIre » 19 May 2017, 08:58

Copehead wrote:
fueryIre wrote:
Starting with visionary thinkers like Nye Bevan, we've devolved
to vacant-minded humourless bigots like the board's resident Nye Bovine.


Now that is good :lol:

Of course Nye was vilified as a Commie in the 40s and he'd be vilified as a commie today, apparently with your enthusiastic backing of claims of unelectability


As usual, you choose to deliberately ignore the facts.

My reasons for refusing to vote for Corbyn et al isn't because they are like the Labour Party of the past as you keep desperately trying to imply.

The reason I'm not voting for them because they are nothing like the Labour Party I used to vote for.

While - unlike yourself - I do not believe in making one-size-fits-all generalisations about other voters, I would imagine rather a lot of people feel pretty much the same way.

When faced with realities you can't argue with, you resort to your default tactic of attempting to tar any poster who dares to disagree with your dangerously simplistic and solipsistic view of the world by using assertions that have zero basis in fact - as a quick run through my past posts will prove.

All a bit rich coming from someone who is quick to follow Jimbo's lead and accuse others of McCarthyism. Do you actually know anything about the man or what he did, or is his just the latest name to drop at your sham-pain socialist cocktail parties?

Your criticism of those who aren't voting labour while Corbyn is in charge is even richer. Especially as it comes from someone who is so enthused by the prospect of his leadership that you've gone on record here as saying you "can't be bothered busting a gut to get on the electoral register and try and arrange a postal proxy vote".

Nice attempt at trying to pretend you have a sense of humour, btw. It's a bit like watching a movie where a sociopath who is about to embark on a serial killing spree stares into the mirror and tries to pretend he possesses empathy and compassion.
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

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fueryIre wrote:or is his just the latest name to drop at your sham-pain socialist cocktail parties?


Where was my invite you shithead!? :x
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

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Copehead has never been quite the same since YOU KNOW WHAT, has he?
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Re: May calls a snap election on June 8

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Diamond Dog wrote:
Nick wrote:If people like Kendall, Starmer, Hilary Benn, Cooper, Burnham, John Mann and Dan Jarvis were in charge, I'd enthusiastically vote Labour.


Like everyone did last time around, when they were?


Labour lost the last election for a number of reasons, but the key ones were that the electorate were deeply unimpressed with the prospect of Ed Miliband as a leader, the Tories managed to pin the blame on Labour for the financial crisis and portray them as fiscally irresponsible (unfairly of course, but that's how it goes), and overall Lynton Crosby ran a brilliant, ruthless and efficient campaign.

Labour didn't lose because they weren't left wing enough. And they didn't lose because any of the people mentioned above were standing as MPs, or were in the shadow cabinet.

It seems self-evident to me that if Burnham, Cooper or Kendall had won the leadership election in 2015 Labour would look like a far better proposition to the broad electorate now. They are all far more capable, competent, and widely-appealing than both Corbyn and Theresa May, who is a mediocre and limited politician.

But what did the Labour membership do? It stamped its collective feet and called the other leadership candidates 'red Tories', shared snarky memes about them on social media, wallowed in nostalgia and self-indulgence, and elected the most useless leader of a major British political party I've ever seen. Twice.
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Nick wrote:It seems self-evident to me that if Burnham, Cooper or Kendall had won the leadership election in 2015 Labour would look like a far better proposition to the broad electorate now. They are all far more capable, competent, and widely-appealing than both Corbyn and Theresa May, who is a mediocre and limited politician.


I'd have serious reservations about Kendall. I can't imagine the public taking to her at all. The other two? Yes, probably.

Just Skyped my Mam and she said 'I just looked through the Tory manifesto and it's TERRIBLE!' - and I said 'well what did you expect?' (in an exasperated tone), and she got annoyed and just rang off! :lol:
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Postby Belle Lettre » 19 May 2017, 10:31

They talked to four pensioners in Halifax who all decried the Tory proposals but said they would vote for them anyway..
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Aye, Kendall was awful but then Cooper and Burnham weren't impressive either. They were all weak. I think the latter has improved since being Manchester mayor and if he was leader then they would a greater chance than they do now but they'd still face a real struggle I think. We can point the finger at Corbyn and I certainly have but there is a real dearth of talent in that party.
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Nick wrote:It seems self-evident to me that if Burnham, Cooper or Kendall had won the leadership election in 2015 Labour would look like a far better proposition to the broad electorate now. They are all far more capable, competent, and widely-appealing than both Corbyn and Theresa May, who is a mediocre and limited politician.


I'd have serious reservations about Kendall. I can't imagine the public taking to her at all. The other two? Yes, probably.

Just Skyped my Mam and she said 'I just looked through the Tory manifesto and it's TERRIBLE!' - and I said 'well what did you expect?' (in an exasperated tone), and she got annoyed and just rang off! :lol:


:lol:

I can only hope they lose the granny vote but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Postby yomptepi » 19 May 2017, 10:44

Belle Lettre wrote:They talked to four pensioners in Halifax who all decried the Tory proposals but said they would vote for them anyway..


Because they didn't like Corbyn.

I don't think Labour party members have any idea how much of a drubbing they are in for...
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Postby Nick » 19 May 2017, 10:54

Goat Boy wrote:there is a real dearth of talent in that party.


In all of them I think, although if anything I'd say that out of the major parties Labour are still best off, which admittedly isn't saying a lot.

Most of the Conservatives only look remotely good to the electorate in comparison to the largely dismal Labour front bench. Boris is popular but with the best will in the world you wouldn't call him an especially competent politician, and he lacks the gravitas to be PM. The only one the Tories have combining charisma, mass appeal and competence is Ruth Davidson.

And compare Farron to men like Ashdown and Kennedy, he pales into insignificance.

I dislike the woman and her politics, but the best party leader at the moment by some way is Nicola Sturgeon.
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