Off colour humour

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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Copehead » 09 Apr 2017, 10:53

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His justification for taking the piss out of her, and Down's children etc is that 'it's just a joke'.

Fuck him. He deserves eternal unhappiness.


But that wasn't his justification for it, I wrote down what his justification for it was
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Re: Off colour humour

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It's a good movie if you like comedy. Bob Saget takes the joke to a whole new level.
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby sloopjohnc » 09 Apr 2017, 15:23

never/ever wrote:I had something similar when I watched a Roast from Comedy Central a few years back and thought it to be extremely hard going- the level of gay jokes directed at George Takei was of a pretty hideous level and even with him laughing his ass off it still felt wrong. I sort of relatived that when I saw the Dean Martin-roasts which were less hurtful but still punched below the belt at times- and yes, Don Rickles was A Star, as was Richard Pryor- so when I tried the following Roast (Donald Trump) I could stomach it better and found it to be very funny in some parts. In fact Greg Giraldo has become one of my favourite comedians because of the show. I used to wince about certain topics being used (cancer, incest) but not to a degree I completely switch off. The most important part for me remains the delivery of the joke... the pace, timing, the timbre of the voice can make the corniest jokes utterly hilarious.


Roasts are a whole different animal as far as comedy. The jokes are for the other comedians as much as they are for the audience.
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Fonz » 09 Apr 2017, 17:50

Copehead wrote:
Fonz wrote:[
His justification for taking the piss out of her, and Down's children etc is that 'it's just a joke'.

Fuck him. He deserves eternal unhappiness.


But that wasn't his justification for it, I wrote down what his justification for it was



By that logic Corbyn and Milliband would 'deserve' awful cancer jokes if they were so afflicted.

Sorry mate, it's just wrong.
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Goat Boy » 09 Apr 2017, 18:00

I think the bottom line is, if you find it funny it's not wrong but if you don't then....
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Fonz » 09 Apr 2017, 20:27

Fair enough. Each to their own.
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Robert » 09 Apr 2017, 22:54

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I find there is something wonderfully exciting about some good old fashioned crude humour. It can break down social barriers very quickly, establish common ground. I guess all shared humour can of course but there is something about shared obscenity that can be particularly thrilling and bonding. I shared a flat with an Italian dude at uni once. On the first night I was already calling him an "Italian cunt" and he was calling me a "Scottish bastard". I may have used the word Dago. We both laughed at heartily at all this. We were good friends from that night on. Sometimes I think this sorta thing is being lost. Some people would probably see that as a good thing mind.



I think it's needed depending on the situation. The situation being, you have to feel out the person to see if they were see the joke or just take offence. It's shits all over people that are absolute in that you can't use racist or derogatory terms ever, no matter what. I had the similar experience in uni. 1/3 of our basketball team were catholic/Irish, the other 1/3 were protestant. Orange or Fenian cunt/wanker/etc was often heard in taking the piss from each other.


Not offensive but certainly funny!

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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Fonz » 09 Apr 2017, 23:19

Robert wrote:
The Great Defector wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:
I find there is something wonderfully exciting about some good old fashioned crude humour. It can break down social barriers very quickly, establish common ground. I guess all shared humour can of course but there is something about shared obscenity that can be particularly thrilling and bonding. I shared a flat with an Italian dude at uni once. On the first night I was already calling him an "Italian cunt" and he was calling me a "Scottish bastard". I may have used the word Dago. We both laughed at heartily at all this. We were good friends from that night on. Sometimes I think this sorta thing is being lost. Some people would probably see that as a good thing mind.



I think it's needed depending on the situation. The situation being, you have to feel out the person to see if they were see the joke or just take offence. It's shits all over people that are absolute in that you can't use racist or derogatory terms ever, no matter what. I had the similar experience in uni. 1/3 of our basketball team were catholic/Irish, the other 1/3 were protestant. Orange or Fenian cunt/wanker/etc was often heard in taking the piss from each other.


Not offensive but certainly funny!


In that sort of situation there's a lot of self-deprecation. Everyone is, hopefully, in the same page in terms of the intent of the insult/humour. There isn't a victim, and the participants don't come away feeling victimised plus, the shared transgressive nature of the humour is bonding.

It's a world away from the nasty, bullying, smug , sneering humour that I don't like.


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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Copehead » 10 Apr 2017, 01:37

Fonz wrote:
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Fonz wrote:[
His justification for taking the piss out of her, and Down's children etc is that 'it's just a joke'.

Fuck him. He deserves eternal unhappiness.


But that wasn't his justification for it, I wrote down what his justification for it was



By that logic Corbyn and Milliband would 'deserve' awful cancer jokes if they were so afflicted.

Sorry mate, it's just wrong.


That still isn't it.

Jordan and Goody monetised themselves and their families
They didn't achieve fame for doing something like becoming a politician or even a footballer.
The specifically set out to make money from publicising their lives and the lives of those around them.

That is his justification for seeing them as targets of his comedy and for his not believing he is punching down.

Not sure I buy his justification 100% but it is nothing like you portray; it is neither "it's just a joke" nor " they're in the public eye".

He was very specific about that, especially as the joke about Jordan was actually also about her son who is metally impaired in some way. But there is only one way that that information got into the public domain.
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Fonz » 10 Apr 2017, 07:48

Copehead wrote:
Fonz wrote:
Copehead wrote:
But that wasn't his justification for it, I wrote down what his justification for it was



By that logic Corbyn and Milliband would 'deserve' awful cancer jokes if they were so afflicted.

Sorry mate, it's just wrong.


That still isn't it.

Jordan and Goody monetised themselves and their families
They didn't achieve fame for doing something like becoming a politician or even a footballer.
The specifically set out to make money from publicising their lives and the lives of those around them.

That is his justification for seeing them as targets of his comedy and for his not believing he is punching down.

Not sure I buy his justification 100% but it is nothing like you portray; it is neither "it's just a joke" nor " they're in the public eye".

He was very specific about that, especially as the joke about Jordan was actually also about her son who is metally impaired in some way. But there is only one way that that information got into the public domain.


Being a witless narcissist still doesn't make someone deserving of that kind of attack
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Copehead » 10 Apr 2017, 07:56

Fonz wrote:
Copehead wrote:
Fonz wrote:

By that logic Corbyn and Milliband would 'deserve' awful cancer jokes if they were so afflicted.

Sorry mate, it's just wrong.


That still isn't it.

Jordan and Goody monetised themselves and their families
They didn't achieve fame for doing something like becoming a politician or even a footballer.
The specifically set out to make money from publicising their lives and the lives of those around them.

That is his justification for seeing them as targets of his comedy and for his not believing he is punching down.

Not sure I buy his justification 100% but it is nothing like you portray; it is neither "it's just a joke" nor " they're in the public eye".

He was very specific about that, especially as the joke about Jordan was actually also about her son who is metally impaired in some way. But there is only one way that that information got into the public domain.


Being a witless narcissist still doesn't make someone deserving of that kind of attack


That is an opinion I have some sympathy with. I didn't find the jokes unamusing or even excessively cruel considering all the circumstances, just unnecessary, they are were/are incredibly easy targets and unworthy of a comedian of Boyle's potency and skill's time.
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Fonz » 10 Apr 2017, 08:39

Copehead wrote:
Fonz wrote:
Copehead wrote:
That still isn't it.

Jordan and Goody monetised themselves and their families
They didn't achieve fame for doing something like becoming a politician or even a footballer.
The specifically set out to make money from publicising their lives and the lives of those around them.

That is his justification for seeing them as targets of his comedy and for his not believing he is punching down.

Not sure I buy his justification 100% but it is nothing like you portray; it is neither "it's just a joke" nor " they're in the public eye".

He was very specific about that, especially as the joke about Jordan was actually also about her son who is metally impaired in some way. But there is only one way that that information got into the public domain.


Being a witless narcissist still doesn't make someone deserving of that kind of attack


That is an opinion I have some sympathy with. I didn't find the jokes unamusing or even excessively cruel considering all the circumstances, just unnecessary, they are were/are incredibly easy targets and unworthy of a comedian of Boyle's potency and skill's time.


Yeah. It's s shame really. He could be very funny.

Then he became a bearded hipster and things went wrong for him.
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby **NOW PLAYING** » 10 Apr 2017, 08:42

Goat Boy wrote:I think the bottom line is, if you find it funny it's not wrong but if you don't then....


Also if you like the comedian. I think that's important.

That's a problem with Boyle, isn't it? He's a prick.
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Re: Off colour humour

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Aye. He's not likeable. These days it's all 4th rate chomskyisms in the Guardian. Tedious twat
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Samoan » 10 Apr 2017, 11:40

Boyle and his shtick is over. He's as noughties as rancid Banoffee pie, relegated to the ignominy of Facebook and Twitter and basking in the number of 'Likes' massaging his ego.
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Nick » 10 Apr 2017, 11:41

Goat Boy wrote:Aye. He's not likeable. These days it's all 4th rate chomskyisms in the Guardian. Tedious twat


Yep. He's irritatingly smug and smartarse in the same way that wankers like Mark Steel and Jeremy Hardy are.
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Goat Boy » 10 Apr 2017, 13:25

Samoan wrote:Boyle and his shtick is over. He's as noughties as rancid Banoffee pie, relegated to the ignominy of Facebook and Twitter and basking in the number of 'Likes' massaging his ego.


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Re: Off colour humour

Postby Goat Boy » 10 Apr 2017, 13:28

Nick wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:Aye. He's not likeable. These days it's all 4th rate chomskyisms in the Guardian. Tedious twat


Yep. He's irritatingly smug and smartarse in the same way that wankers like Mark Steel and Jeremy Hardy are.



Mark fucking Steel. How do these cunts find employment?
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby **NOW PLAYING** » 10 Apr 2017, 13:34

I just watched Louis CK's recent special. He's pretty good. Stuff about gays, killing people. But he's likeable.
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Re: Off colour humour

Postby The Great Defector » 10 Apr 2017, 13:42

Is he actually funny? the only real time I checked him out was his n****r joke about getting coffee. There was a bit of a up in arms about it.
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