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Re: Python order

Postby pcqgod » 30 Mar 2017, 21:45

Idle
Jones
Cleese
Palin
Gilliam
Chapman
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Re: Python order

Postby Goat Boy » 30 Mar 2017, 21:47

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Oh jesus that one is SOOOOO great!


The credits sequence is so good.

Their american accents were always so terrible too. :lol:
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Re: Python order

Postby THE FILING FEE » 30 Mar 2017, 21:59

Ah, even the bad stuff is good. They were amazing, just so much fun.

I'm saying it here and I'm saying it now: Monty Python's Flying Circus is the greatest comedy series of all time.
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Re: Python order

Postby THE FILING FEE » 30 Mar 2017, 22:00

As I get older I love it all more. Sometimes it almost makes me well up.
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Re: Python order

Postby K » 30 Mar 2017, 22:09

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Re: Python order

Postby Charlie O. » 30 Mar 2017, 22:19

Jeemo wrote:I don't really like Cleese as a person. Bitter and tetchy to a fault.

I think he was either going through a bad phase for a while there, or it was an act. Nowadays he seems quite lovable.





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Re: Python order

Postby THE FILING FEE » 30 Mar 2017, 22:23

I love to hear him talk. He was by FAR the best value in the Python docu of a couple of years back.
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Re: Python order

Postby K » 30 Mar 2017, 22:27

The joy of python is how, once you've experienced the famous sketches there are all these other gems hidden away. So well written, if not always well performed.
In the very first episode there's Thursday sketch where Jones is an Italian language teacher who discovers his class are all Italian and they end up translating for him. I love it.
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Re: Python order

Postby Quaco » 31 Mar 2017, 03:08

toomanyhatz wrote:And I'm probably being unfair to Jones, but he's the one I have the least handle on exactly what he brings to the table.

Unlike their musical equivalent The Beatles, it was not common knowledge what their process was until comparatively recently, so forgive me if I repeat things you may know. Jones/Palin was one writing team, Cleese/Chapman was the other, and Idle tried to squeeze his stuff in though lacking a collaborator. Jones was the one most interested in film making, angles, editing, etc. He also most loved taking his clothes off and dressing like women. Cleese is exactly what he seems like, uptight and intelligent and acerbic, while Chapman was the one they all thought was the most gifted. He was also the laziest, with Cleese having to wake him up every day to get started writing. Palin was the nicest one, and none of them have anything bad to say about him. Idle's humor was more verbal ("-ood -ing!"). Cleese and Chapmam specialized in dull, stodgy people and were more erudite, while Palin/Jones were more colorful and fun. They tended to lead their own sketched, though not always. Gilliam rarely knew what he was going to do until he did it. Apparently his process was largely winging it.
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Re: Python order

Postby Charlie O. » 31 Mar 2017, 04:30

The others have said too that Idle had a knack for script editing, and the TV shows tended to be crafted by him to a large degree (i.e., what order the sketches would go in, how things would transition, and so on).

And while Cleese has often complained that he did the lion's share of the actual writing in the Cleese-Chapman partnership, he credits Graham with having an unerring sense of what other people would find funny - as an example, he might never have finished writing the Cheese Shop sketch if Chapman hadn't been there assuring him that it worked.
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Re: Python order

Postby Toby » 31 Mar 2017, 08:57

Dog Pickle 'BEAUT' wrote:As I get older I love it all more. Sometimes it almost makes me well up.


I think the fact, that on the whole, they never repeated themselves shows just how inventive they were in comparison to more contemporary sketch based shows.

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Re: Python order

Postby Toby » 31 Mar 2017, 09:22



First episode. Still cracks me up.

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Re: Python order

Postby Jeemo » 31 Mar 2017, 09:26

I only saw the last series without Cleese as it was broadcast. My mum wouldn't let me see it before then. As things weren't routinely repeated I became a fan by listening to the records. When I did see the tv shows I was a bit disappointed as they hadn't the budget for tv to fully do the sketches justice. Whereas the albums were very well produced.
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Re: Python order

Postby trans-chigley express » 31 Mar 2017, 12:31

Jeemo wrote:I only saw the last series without Cleese as it was broadcast. My mum wouldn't let me see it before then. As things weren't routinely repeated I became a fan by listening to the records. When I did see the tv shows I was a bit disappointed as they hadn't the budget for tv to fully do the sketches justice. Whereas the albums were very well produced.

I always enjoyed hearing the sketches performed on the albums more the on TV. They just seemed funnier somehow.

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Re: Python order

Postby neville harp » 31 Mar 2017, 13:30

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Re: Python order

Postby THE FILING FEE » 31 Mar 2017, 13:38

Toby wrote:
Dog Pickle 'BEAUT' wrote:As I get older I love it all more. Sometimes it almost makes me well up.


I think the fact, that on the whole, they never repeated themselves shows just how inventive they were in comparison to more contemporary sketch based shows.


clive gash wrote:It's all relative anyway, they're all gods.


Yes!

The quality across all those four series is surprisingly consistent, and as K says, unless you've seen the whole lot recently, there's a lot of unfamiliar stuff to discover.

Nice to hear Cleese say that when they all got together again to rehearse for the reunion shows, a lot of the old material (still) made them chuckle.
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Re: Python order

Postby Quaco » 31 Mar 2017, 15:56

The albums provided different endings and segues, which was interesting. I too am more used to them than the actual shows, in some cases. The gag that always comes to mind as being superior on record is 'I don't care how fucking runny it is, hand it over with all speed', as opposed to the TV version, 'excrementally runny'.
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Re: Python order

Postby Johnny Fartpants » 31 Mar 2017, 17:32

Cleese
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Idle
Gilliam
Jones
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Re: Python order

Postby K » 31 Mar 2017, 20:12

Jeemo wrote:I only saw the last series without Cleese as it was broadcast. My mum wouldn't let me see it before then. As things weren't routinely repeated I became a fan by listening to the records. When I did see the tv shows I was a bit disappointed as they hadn't the budget for tv to fully do the sketches justice. Whereas the albums were very well produced.

I agree. I read the scripts of series 1 before I saw it. It was so well written I would fall about laughing reading it. They couldn't quite do it justice in the flesh, because of the cheap sets ans effect, But the writing was razor sharp.
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Re: Python order

Postby K » 31 Mar 2017, 20:17

This is genius


Voice Over: There now follows a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Wood Party.

(Cut to a traditional grey-suited man at desk looking straight into camera. Superimposed caption: 'THE RT. HON. LAMBERT WARBECK')

Minister: Good evening. We in the Wood Party feel very strongly that the present weak drafting of the Local Government Bill leaves a lot to be desired, and we intend to fight.
(He thumps on the desk and he falls through the floor. As he falls he emits a long scream, fading away slowly. Another man comes and looks down into the pit.)

Man: Hello Helllllllllloooooooooo! (to camera) Er I, I'm afraid the minister's fallen through the Earth's crust. Er... excuse me a moment. (goes and looks at Pit) Helloooo.

Minister: (unseen, a long way down) Helloooooo.

Man: Are you all right minister?

Minister: I appear to have landed on this kind of ledge thing.

Man: Shall we lower down one of the BBC ropes?

Minister: If you'd be so kind.

Man: What length of BBC rope will we be likely to need?

Minister: I should use the longest BBC rope. That would be a good idea I would imagine.

Man: Okie dokie chief. Er, Tex get the longest BBC rope, and bring it here pronto.

Minister: (still a long way down) In the meantime, since I am on all channels, perhaps I'd better carry on with this broadcast by shouting about our housing plans from down here as best I can. Could someone throw me down a script. (man drops the script down and Tex appears with enormous cod of rope) The script would appear to have landed on a different ledge somewhat out of my grasp, don't you know.

Man: Er, well perhaps when the rope reaches you minister you could kind of swing over to the ledge and grab it.

Minister: Good idea.
(Cut to minister swinging on rope. Caption on screen: 'THE RT. HON. LAMBERT WARBECK')

Minister: Well I'm going to carry on, if I can read the script. (He swings over to a ledge opposite with a script on it. As he gets near he peers and starts reading.)

Minister: Good evening. We in the Wood Party (he swings away and then back) feel very strongly about (swings away and back) the present weak drafting of the Local Government Bill and no, no - it's no good, it's not working.., I think I'll have to try and make a grab for it. Ah. There we are. ('he swings over and grabs the script with one hand; he tries to turn to camera and continues) Good evening. We in the Wood Party feel very strongly about the present (he makes a vigorous gesture and in so doing lets go of rope and slips so that he is now hanging upside down) ugh, ugh. Oh dear. Hello!

Man: (out of vision) Hello.

Minister: Look, look, I must look a bit of a chump hanging upside down like this.

Man: (out of vision) Don't worry minister. (cut to man looking off-camera) I think love if we turn the picture upside down we should help the minister, then.

(Cut to minister. The picture is now the other way up. The minister now appears to be the might way up)

Minister: Oh good. Look, er, I'm sorry about this, but there seem to be a few gremlins about... I think I'd better start from the beginning. Er, good evening, we in the Wood Party feel very strongly about, oh ... (he drops script) Bloody heck. Oh, oh dear, er terribly sorry about this, about saying bloody heck on all channels, but, er...

Man: (out of vision) There's another script on the way down minister.

Minister: Oh good, good. Well ... er... er... um... Good evening. Er ... well... er... how are you? Er... Oh yes look, I don't want you to think of the Wood Party as a load of old men that like hanging around on ropes only I ... er ... oh ... oh.
(Meanwhile a man, the right way up, has been lowered down to the minister. As the picture is reversed, he appears to be moving straight up towards him. The minister sea him.)

Minister: Ah. Thank you. (taking script; the man on the rope starts to climb back up) Good evening, we in the Wood Party feel very strongly about the present weak drafting... (man falls past with a scream) Look. I think we'd better call it a day.
(Cut to two men at a desk in a discussion set.)

First Robert: Is this the furthest distance that a minister has fallen? Robert.
(Cut to Robert.)

Second Robert: Well surprisingly not. The Canadian Minister for External Affairs fell nearly seven miles during a Liberal Conference in Ottawa about six years ago, and then quite recently the Kenyan Minister for Agric. and Fish fell nearly twelve miles during a Nairobi debate in Parliament, although this hasn't been ratified yet.

First Robert: Er, how far did the Filipino cabinet fall last March?

Second Robert: Er, well they fell nearly thirty-nine miles but it's not really so remarkable as that was due to their combined weight, of course. Robert.

First Robert: Thank you, Robert. Well now what's your reaction to all this, Robert?
(Cut to third Robert who is staring intently into camera. He is wearing a fright wig and has a left eyebrow four inches above his right one.)

Third Robert: Well, well Robert the main thing is that it's terribly exciting. You see the minister is quite dearly lodged between rocks we know terribly little of. Terribly little. Of course the main thing is we're getting color pictures of an extraordinarily high quality. The important thing is, the really exciting thing is the minister will (as he gets more excited he starts to emit smoke) be bringing back samples of the Earth's core which will give us a tremendous, really tremendous tremendous tremendous clue about the origins of the Earth and what God himself is made of. (he bursts into fire and someone has to throw a buckets of water over him) Oh, oh I needed that.
(Cut back to first Robert.)

First Robert: Thank you Robert. Well that seems to be about all we have time for tonight. Unless anyone has anything else to say. Has anyone anything else to say?
(Various 'no's' plus one 'bloody fairy' and more no's, from a very rapid montage of all the possible characters in this week's show saying 'no'. The last one we come to is the Spectrum presenter. He says more than no.)

Presenter: What do we mean by no, what do we mean by yes, what do we mean by no, no, no. Tonight Spectrum looks at the whole question of what is no.
(The sixteen-ton weight falls on him.)
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