Where are you on the political spectrum?

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Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby PresMuffley » 09 Feb 2017, 20:29

As some smart person before me said: the terms of political discourse are often vague and misleading.

So, with that out of the way, I'm far left. My biggest political influences are Emma Goldman, Martin Luther King, Jr., George Orwell, Howard Zinn & Noam Chomsky. I voted third party in the last two elections simply out of lack of a better option. I grew up working class, and though I am now somewhat educated, I am also still working class. I like people - oddballs of all sorts, no matter how educated or uneducated they are. I like to hear what people have to say. I think people are mostly good, or I'd like to think that. So, enough about me. What's up with you?
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby Toby » 09 Feb 2017, 20:44

I'm a classic Burke Tory. I don't really have any major political influences apart from probably Michael Oakeshott, whose "conservative disposition" I probably identify with more than anything else.

Political activity, he wrote in an early essay, “is a highly specialized and abstracted form of communal activity; it is conducted on the surface of the life of a society and except on rare occasions makes a remarkably small impression below that surface.” Political activity encourages a “limitation of view, which appears so clear and practical, but which amounts to little more than a mental fog.”

I agree with that. Especially at the moment.

I'm not sure whether I like 'people', but I do think they are human, and as such are prone to both rational and irrational behaviour.

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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby K » 09 Feb 2017, 21:41

Political activity, he wrote in an early essay, “is a highly specialized and abstracted form of communal activity; it is conducted on the surface of the life of a society and except on rare occasions makes a remarkably small impression below that surface.”


I'm not sure that this really means anything. Either that or I'm pretty stupid.
Political activity encourages a “limitation of view, which appears so clear and practical, but which amounts to little more than a mental fog.”

This, I think I understand, and I think we're all a bit guilty of this.
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby toomanyhatz » 09 Feb 2017, 22:25

"Don't wanna vote for the left wing/don't want to vote for the right/I need both/to make me fly" - Ian Hunter.

I usually refer to myself as a "would be centrist." I believe very strongly that everybody's interests should be considered whether I personally share them or not. But the right has flown so far off the rails that I'm not sure that they represent anyone any more outside their own monied interests. I've always leaned left, but I've damn near fallen over on my side at this point.
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby The Great Defector » 09 Feb 2017, 22:33

Centrist, hard to tell the difference between left and right these days in terms of what they'll do to get their way or just for the sake of posturing for public view. I suppose I'm talking about the supporters more than anything.
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby Rayge » 09 Feb 2017, 22:38

Socialist by upbringing and emotional response, anarchist in temperament and conviction, magical autotheist in practice. Dislike objectivism and neoliberalism. Althoughn ultimately none of it really matters
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby Goat Boy » 09 Feb 2017, 22:54

The Great Defector wrote:Centrist, hard to tell the difference between left and right these days in terms of what they'll do to get their way or just for the sake of posturing for public view. I suppose I'm talking about the supporters more than anything.



Forget the behavior of their supporters, what are your actual political beliefs? If you're a centrist what aspects of left wing thought do you subscribe to and vice versa?
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby Jeff K » 09 Feb 2017, 23:11

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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby PresMuffley » 10 Feb 2017, 03:44

Rayge wrote:Socialist by upbringing and emotional response, anarchist in temperament and conviction, magical autotheist in practice. Dislike objectivism and neoliberalism. Although ultimately none of it really matters
And every man and woman is indeed a star, although stars do not only shine.
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Not sure I could have summed you up in such a succinct yet eloquent manner but that's pretty much how I had you pegged.
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby The Write Profile » 10 Feb 2017, 04:32

Keynesian left-wing, which means I'm in favor of strongly regulated mixed ecomonies buttressed by a sold welfare estate and a focus on production and demand. I believe the Government should be the drivers of health, education and welfare essentially they're the only organisation big enough to protect the common good. Like Keynes, I'm also against protectionism and favour open trade.
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby martha » 10 Feb 2017, 07:38

Way over in the far left bottom corner.
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby Goat Boy » 10 Feb 2017, 09:27

I feel I should add a caveat. I’ve never read Marx, my understanding of such things is fairly cursory although I understand the basic principles I think. With that in mind.....when I do those political spectrum tests I’m basically way over on the left and in the bottom corner so my heart is saying anarchist I guess. I’m very cynical about the state and the ability of a centralised organisation to run things effectively and fairly for all the various groups that naturally exist within a state. In fact I would say this isn’t practically possible.

In this sense and in theory I lean towards anarchism or communism essentially. That’s in theory. Practically I’m not sure if such a thing would be actually desirable for most folks. Personally I think people don’t want things to be micro managed at such a local level even if this would be seen as empowering/liberating by some. I suspect people actually want an invisible hand that basically sorts shit out which means people probably lean towards some kind of centralised state and some kind of significant distance between them and those who make decisions. So that leads me to state socialism I guess. In theory of course. I'm wary of labelling myself in such matters because of my limited knowledge and because so much of it is ideas.
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby Toby » 10 Feb 2017, 10:30

Theory is all well and fine until you actually are immersed in the conditions of a particular state.

I struggle personally to see how people can do this when they live their day to day lives like everyone else does. For me, the negotiation and compromises that make up our daily lives should surely be of the upmost concern to the implementation of our political desires, rather than dreaming up fantasist utopias about how things should be. Utopias are only reached over a sea of blood.

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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 10 Feb 2017, 10:51

The Write Profile wrote:Keynesian left-wing, which means I'm in favor of strongly regulated mixed ecomonies buttressed by a sold welfare estate and a focus on production and demand. I believe the Government should be the drivers of health, education and welfare essentially they're the only organisation big enough to protect the common good. Like Keynes, I'm also against protectionism and favour open trade.


Same here, well put.
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby Spec » 10 Feb 2017, 11:17

Worth taking a few minutes to do this https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby Fonz » 10 Feb 2017, 12:19

I'm about a third of the way down to the bottom left.
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby The Great Defector » 10 Feb 2017, 12:42

I'm centre with a large sway to the left. I like some of the ideas of the right, as dirty as that might sound to some people but it's true. I'm believe in democracy as the best way forward but under not illusion that it's perfect. I'm a strong believer in if you believe in democracy then you have to live with all it's problems and not complain if things don't go your way, then you're just being a hypocrite and defeating the purpose of democracy. I don't believe in free speech in the sense you can say what you want when you want, because it simply doesn't exist. That why we have the ability to sue etc which I'm fine with and agree with. That's all I got so far.
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Re: Where are you on the political spectrum?

Postby KATANGA MY FRIEND! » 10 Feb 2017, 12:48

Spec wrote:Worth taking a few minutes to do this https://www.politicalcompass.org/test



Yeah. But EVERY SINGLE PERSON ends up in the bottom-left segment!
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