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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 10:03
by The Prof
How are Presidential Pardons even a thing?
Any criminal, fraudster, thief can get away with anything?
Does this even extend to serial killers?

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 12:17
by soundchaser
NO MORE SLEEPS.

Fuck off you odious, despicable monster and take that fake plastic bitch with you. Your hideous entitled family, too.

Looking forward to criminal actions after today.

Off you go now.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 12:18
by soundchaser
The Prof wrote:How are Presidential Pardons even a thing?
Any criminal, fraudster, thief can get away with anything?
Does this even extend to serial killers?


It is a bonkers situation. A political farce that seriously needs addressing.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 12:28
by BARON CORNY DOG
The Prof wrote:How are Presidential Pardons even a thing?
Any criminal, fraudster, thief can get away with anything?
Does this even extend to serial killers?


If they have committed federal crimes and the President chooses to pardon them, then ... sort of.

Convicted serial killers are typically prosecuted as state crimes, so it’s up to the governor of the state to pardon them if they are to have any hope. This power is very occasionally used to commute death sentences, but not for serial killers.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 13:02
by Brickyard Jack
The Prof wrote:How are Presidential Pardons even a thing?
Any criminal, fraudster, thief can get away with anything?
Does this even extend to serial killers?


This goes back to the point about acting in good faith. It shouldn't be used in the way you describe (though it is, Clinton's pardon Marc Rich being a classic example), but rather to highlight areas for criminal law reform. Someone might commit a technical crime, but in the public interest. They get convicted, pardoned, and meanwhile the law is analysed and hopefully revised. A decent example recently would be Chelsea Manning, who undoubtedly committed a crime, but was probably acting in the public interest - pardoned by Obama. I understand a number of Trump's pardons fall into this category.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 13:06
by Diamond Dog
Positive Passion wrote:
The Prof wrote:How are Presidential Pardons even a thing?
Any criminal, fraudster, thief can get away with anything?
Does this even extend to serial killers?


This goes back to the point about acting in good faith. It shouldn't be used in the way you describe (though it is, Clinton's pardon Marc Rich being a classic example), but rather to highlight areas for criminal law reform. Someone might commit a technical crime, but in the public interest. They get convicted, pardoned, and meanwhile the law is analysed and hopefully revised. A decent example recently would be Chelsea Manning, who undoubtedly committed a crime, but was probably acting in the public interest - pardoned by Obama. I understand a number of Trump's pardons fall into this category.


Yeah Steve Bannon. :roll:

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 13:14
by BARON CORNY DOG
CNN’s coverage is absolutely hammering Trump as they await his departure.

And rightfully so.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 13:51
by Minnie the Minx
LATERS

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 14:00
by BARON CORNY DOG
Positive Passion wrote:
The Prof wrote:How are Presidential Pardons even a thing?
Any criminal, fraudster, thief can get away with anything?
Does this even extend to serial killers?


This goes back to the point about acting in good faith. It shouldn't be used in the way you describe (though it is, Clinton's pardon Marc Rich being a classic example), but rather to highlight areas for criminal law reform. Someone might commit a technical crime, but in the public interest. They get convicted, pardoned, and meanwhile the law is analysed and hopefully revised. A decent example recently would be Chelsea Manning, who undoubtedly committed a crime, but was probably acting in the public interest - pardoned by Obama. I understand a number of Trump's pardons fall into this category.


Also useful to correct injustices the law allows. One example would be the disproportionate sentencing for crack offenses in the 80s and 90s. Another would be legal problems with the conviction that have no remedy at law. Also, instead of rushing to execute the people hanging around on the federal death row, the President could have opted to commute those sentences as an act of mercy.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 14:46
by BARON CORNY DOG
Dr. Baron wrote:CNN’s coverage is absolutely hammering Trump as they await his departure.

And rightfully so.


They were laughing as Air Force One lifted off to the sounds of "My Way."
:lol:

Of course, Trump can't bear to leave Washington on a chopper that wasn't "Marine 1" and plane that wasn't "Air Force One," so he had to slink off early. :roll:

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 15:03
by Rorschach
Do you think Biden's glad he didn't turn up? He would have made it all about himself, wouldn't he. Turning up late for the ride to wherever it is it happens; that sort of thing.

Apparently, many thousands of people were following posts on The Telegram social media platform, purportedly from John Hyten, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, claiming that Trump was about to declare martial law.

I wonder if they're still waiting for it to happen...

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 15:05
by Brickyard Jack
Diamond Dog wrote:
Positive Passion wrote:
The Prof wrote:How are Presidential Pardons even a thing?
Any criminal, fraudster, thief can get away with anything?
Does this even extend to serial killers?


This goes back to the point about acting in good faith. It shouldn't be used in the way you describe (though it is, Clinton's pardon Marc Rich being a classic example), but rather to highlight areas for criminal law reform. Someone might commit a technical crime, but in the public interest. They get convicted, pardoned, and meanwhile the law is analysed and hopefully revised. A decent example recently would be Chelsea Manning, who undoubtedly committed a crime, but was probably acting in the public interest - pardoned by Obama. I understand a number of Trump's pardons fall into this category.


Yeah Steve Bannon. :roll:


Well....maybe not him :D

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 15:24
by BARON CORNY DOG
Rorschach wrote:Apparently, many thousands of people were following posts on The Telegram social media platform, purportedly from John Hyten, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, claiming that Trump was about to declare martial law.

I wonder if they're still waiting for it to happen...


He would probably try to do it in the Michael Scott Style.


Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 21:17
by BARON CORNY DOG
Welp, that's a wrap. Someone must've convinced Trump not to issue pardons to (any more) political figures (Ken Paxton would've been a likely candidate, for instance) or participants in the failed coup. He also didn't try to exempt his family or himself. Probably all smart moves, as it could have instigated prosecutions that the Biden Administration doesn't really want to pursue.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 21 Jan 2021, 13:08
by Rayge

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 21 Jan 2021, 13:08
by Rayge
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 21 Jan 2021, 13:53
by Rayge

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 21 Jan 2021, 15:16
by Rorschach

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 21 Jan 2021, 17:12
by Neige


That is fabulous.

And I really enjoyed Jonathan Pie's final farewell too!

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 02:17
by Minnie the Minx
I have to say, the dress Melania changed into on the plane was FANTASTIC.