President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Deebank » 16 Apr 2020, 09:33



I went to a lecture - just before lockdown kicked-in - by a clinical psychiatrist and technical advisor on Killing Eve, about psychopathy / sociopathy.

He went through the list of the indicators that suggest a person may be a psychopath (the so called Psychopath Test) these include

Lack of any kind of empathy beyond the false and superficial;
Shallowness / superficial charm;
User of others - socially / sexually /professionally - to achieve personal goals;
Amorality

(from wikipedia):

The triarchic model[1] suggests that different conceptions of psychopathy emphasize three observable characteristics to various degrees. Analyses have been made with respect to the applicability of measurement tools such as the Psychopathy Checklist (PCL, PCL-R) and Psychopathic Personality Inventory (PPI) to this model.[1][4]

Boldness. Low fear including stress-tolerance, toleration of unfamiliarity and danger, and high self-confidence and social assertiveness. The PCL-R measures this relatively poorly and mainly through Facet 1 of Factor 1. Similar to PPI Fearless dominance. May correspond to differences in the amygdala and other neurological systems associated with fear.[1][4]
Disinhibition. Poor impulse control including problems with planning and foresight, lacking affect and urge control, demand for immediate gratification, and poor behavioral restraints. Similar to PCL-R Factor 2 and PPI Impulsive antisociality. May correspond to impairments in frontal lobe systems that are involved in such control.[1][4]
Meanness. Lacking empathy and close attachments with others, disdain of close attachments, use of cruelty to gain empowerment, exploitative tendencies, defiance of authority, and destructive excitement seeking. The PCL-R in general is related to this but in particular some elements in Factor 1. Similar to PPI, but also includes elements of subscales in Impulsive antisociality.[1][4]


With Trump there is a recklessness, but you also get the impression that he's a cowherd.

Studies have linked psychopathy to alternative dimensions such as antagonism (high), conscientiousness (low) and anxiousness (low).[18]

Psychopathy has also been linked to high psychoticism—a theorized dimension referring to tough, aggressive or hostile tendencies. Aspects of this that appear associated with psychopathy are lack of socialization and responsibility, impulsivity, sensation-seeking (in some cases), and aggression.[19][20][21]

Otto Kernberg, from a particular psychoanalytic perspective, believed psychopathy should be considered as part of a spectrum of pathological narcissism, that would range from narcissistic personality on the low end, malignant narcissism in the middle, and psychopathy at the high end.[21]

Psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism, three personality traits that are together referred to as the dark triad, share certain characteristics, such as a callous-manipulative interpersonal style.[22] The dark tetrad refers to these traits with the addition of sadism.[23][24][25][26][27][28]


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sam Stone » 17 Apr 2020, 11:10

Meanwhile, what's left of the Tea Party (remember them?)
seem to be making a doomed attempt at Turd Immunity

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1185611

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Postby Charlie O. » 19 Apr 2020, 20:57


Whoa! Yeah, that certainly slipped past me.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Flower » 23 Apr 2020, 13:56

A Not-Even-Close-To-Complete List Of Things I Hate About Donald Trump

We need a 12-step recovery program for all the newly minted haters, including me.


https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/a-n ... ri18n=true

I am suffering from Election Fatigue. I’ve had enough and can’t listen or watch too much more without thinking that civilization as we know it is ending. And yes, I blame Donald Trump and his band of GOP merry pranksters. Like every other person at the water cooler from which I drink, I keep thinking he can’t get any worse and then he does. Here are just some of low moments I wish I could unsee.

I want someone to teach Stalker Man that what he dismisses as “locker room talk” is sickening and offensive.

How do you shrug off a man who brags about sexually assaulting women in the most vulgar of terms and who, in the next breath, says, “Oh, nevermind that. Let’s talk about ISIS instead.” Yeah, let’s talk about ISIS. Why should we be afraid of terrorists when we have you, Donnie Boy?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby The Fish » 25 Apr 2020, 17:25

Flower wrote:A Not-Even-Close-To-Complete List Of Things I Hate About Donald Trump

We need a 12-step recovery program for all the newly minted haters, including me.


https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/a-n ... ri18n=true

I am suffering from Election Fatigue. I’ve had enough and can’t listen or watch too much more without thinking that civilization as we know it is ending. And yes, I blame Donald Trump and his band of GOP merry pranksters. Like every other person at the water cooler from which I drink, I keep thinking he can’t get any worse and then he does. Here are just some of low moments I wish I could unsee.

I want someone to teach Stalker Man that what he dismisses as “locker room talk” is sickening and offensive.

How do you shrug off a man who brags about sexually assaulting women in the most vulgar of terms and who, in the next breath, says, “Oh, nevermind that. Let’s talk about ISIS instead.” Yeah, let’s talk about ISIS. Why should we be afraid of terrorists when we have you, Donnie Boy?


The problem with critcising Trump is that it really is shooting fish in a barrel and it's hard to find the words that up the ante and really convey the required anger. that article was a fair attempt, although as the days go by I'm more and more wondering what Hunter S would have said. His obituary piece on Nixon.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-a-crook/308699/

....still remains a benchmark for me.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Flower » 25 Apr 2020, 17:35

The Fish!

I agree about Trump. I often allow the bile to flow. Just don't understand how (I know the details) anyone could vote for him or even follow his tweets.

I enjoyed the article. Thanks.

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If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sam Stone » 07 May 2020, 08:46

From the Gruaniad. Getting to the point when you couldn't make this sort of stuff up.

Live and Let Die plays as Trump visits mask factory without a mask

As the president toured the Arizona facility the song blasted – and many couldn’t help but notice a metaphor
During a pandemic that has seen more than 70,000 deaths in the US (almost a quarter of the global amount), there is probably no worse song the president could walk out to than Live and Let Die, a cover by the rock band Guns N’ Roses. But these are strange times, and so as Donald Trump walked around an N95 mask manufacturing plant in Phoenix, Arizona, that’s exactly what happened.

The president was, of course, not wearing a mask. He never does. Even when standing next to a bin full of hundreds of masks, in a mask manufacturing factory, he still managed not to wear one. And so, watching a clip of Trump being told how the mask works to prevent the spread of the deadly virus, it’s hard not to imagine he is off somewhere in his head, thinking about what he’s going to have for his dinner (that would be fries).

“Thats great, that’s great,” says Trump, as a Honeywell employee describes how the mask traps air particles. “How many do you make a day, Ryan?” he asks, breathing all over the bin full of masks. They blasted “Live and Let Die” while Trump walked around a Honeywell plant today in Arizona without a mask. It’s hard to believe this clip is real.

Then comes his movie moment. As if to let us know what’s been going on inside Trump’s head all this time, the song begins to blast:

If this ever-changin’ world
In which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die …”


Jimmy Kimmel couldn’t help but notice a metaphor in the moment.

I can think of no better metaphor for this presidency than Donald Trump not wearing a face mask to a face mask factory while the song “Live and Let Die” blares in the background.

But the incident left some thinking Trump may have just found his 2020 election slogan. Finally, an appropriate slogan.
Trump 2020: Live and Let Die #LALD

Then, theories began circulating about the person who decided to play that song at that moment. Some thought it was Trump’s idea. Others put it down to a moment of pure genius.

Whoever had the balls to play Live and Let Die while Trump toured the mask factory can deejay any party I ever have for the rest of my life. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257814281330069504

Others, meanwhile, imagined the explanation to be a touch more serendipitous.
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I know people see this as some small act of rebellion, and maybe it was, but it's just as likely they were listening to some "all rock, less talk" station called, like, 105.7 KROQ, THE BONE and it just happened to come on. https://t.co/1OweNiPZAU

We are yet to find out whether the soundtrack for Trump’s Honeywell visit was approved by the plant or Guns N’ Roses. The Guardian was redirected to the White House after contacting Honeywell for comment, meanwhile, Guns N’ Roses representatives are yet to respond. Guns N’ Roses’ frontman, Axl Rose, once requested that Trump stop playing their songs at his rallies. But then again, Rose has been vocal about his dismay over Trump’s response to the pandemic – so perhaps he’ll be pleased his lyrics at least made Trump look like an idiot this time round.

Trump, of course, tweeted out his own video from the visit, sans metaphorical music but full of masked workers surrounding an administration that just doesn’t seem to care.

Live and let die, I guess.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Dr. Baron » 07 May 2020, 13:35

A more quietly troubling take on the Honeywell trip without masks . . . from a WaPo Opinion Piece

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... k-factory/

Greg Sargent wrote:President Trump traveled to Arizona on Tuesday, where he toured a Honeywell plant that’s manufacturing N95 masks. Trump did not wear a mask during the visit, and neither did the Trump aides and Honeywell executives who interacted in close quarters with him.

In case you doubted that this was fundamentally a campaign trip, Trump tweeted out a campaign-style video of the event that depicted him as presiding over a robust effort to generate the supplies needed to combat the novel coronavirus, which he has in reality utterly failed to do.

But this visit raises some important questions — and potentially points to a serious dilemma for Trump’s opponent, Joe Biden.

Here’s the dilemma: It looks likely that Trump will be doing more such trips, which means he will basically be out campaigning, while Biden is not. Trump is able to stage these trips — and is conducting them and other events maskless, sending a message of normalcy to the country — because he’s able to benefit from special access to testing.

Will Biden be able to benefit from the same? Shouldn’t he be able to benefit from the same?

At the Honeywell plant that Trump toured, many employees of the company wore masks. Trump’s video showed those employees wearing masks — in fairness, his team didn’t try to hide this — but he and the executives did not wear them, as the video also shows.

It appears this may have been in violation of company policy. CNN’s Jim Acosta tweeted that a sign in the facility said face masks were required.

So what happened here? A Honeywell spokesperson sent me the following statement:

Following White House recommended protocol, a small number of individuals directly interfacing with the President on Tuesday were tested for COVID-19 immediately prior to the event, received negative test results, and were permitted to not wear masks during portions of the visit based on that medical screening. All others present were wearing masks and social distancing in accordance with Honeywell’s site policy.

That strongly suggests the White House initiated this outcome: Honeywell executives, following the White House’s lead, got tested and cleared before interacting with Trump, which they did without masks. Trump aides traveling with him also didn’t wear masks.

Many of the others (such as those in the audience) wore masks, in accordance with Honeywell policy.

That means Honeywell executives might have violated their own company policy, in keeping with what Trump and the White House wanted, obviously for staging purposes.

Making this worse, the White House is offering a version of events that doesn’t exactly sync with Honeywell’s version. A White House official told CNN and CNBC that Honeywell told the White House that Trump and his entourage didn’t need to wear masks.

And on Wednesday afternoon, Trump told reporters the same thing.

“I asked specifically the head of Honeywell, ‘Should I wear a mask?’ and he said, ‘Well, you don’t need one in this territory,’” Trump said.

When I asked the Honeywell spokesperson for further clarification, he referred me back to the company’s statement — which, again, suggests that masks are required and that the White House initiated what happened.

And let’s face facts here: It’s obvious that if Trump wants to hold an event without masks, as he clearly does, his corporate hosts will feel pressure to go along with it (as Honeywell’s statement suggests happened).

The reason this matters: Trump is almost certainly not wearing a mask at such events to send a message to the country that we’re approaching normalcy. That’s likely why Trump and Vice President Pence have been lately holding other events without masks and proper social distancing.

Another reason this matters: As David Nakamura reports, Trump and Pence are able to do this because they have special access to a rapid testing mechanism. Indeed, the White House has defended these mask-free events on precisely that basis.

It’s not surprising that Trump and his entourage have such special testing access, given that he’s president. But this still raises the question of whether Trump is exploiting this access to mislead the country into believing things are normal when the rest of the country lacks this access to testing and thus doesn’t enjoy the safety or quasi-normalcy Trump does.

“Particularly to his supporters, the behavioral choices he makes carry far more weight than virtually anything else,” Jeremy Konyndyk, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Development, told me. Konyndyk added that even if Trump and those around him benefit from special testing, “what’s seen” by Americans is, “don’t wear a mask.”

All this raises another question. Given that Trump will almost certainly now start traveling more — again, using this special testing access to facilitate it — where does that leave Biden, who’s stuck broadcasting from his basement?

“The big question now is should the Biden campaign be given access to these same tests, which would allow him to also begin to travel, meet with staff and stay competitive with the GOP ticket?” Democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg told me.

“None of these trips Trump and Pence have done were essential to their jobs or in defeating the virus,” Rosenberg added. “They were very elaborate campaign photo ops.”

On top of all that, one can imagine that at other staging grounds for Trump’s future events, company executives will feel pressure to do events without masks. That is, they’ll feel pressure to help Trump send this message of normalcy, too.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Lord Rother » 07 May 2020, 19:45

For the good of the world he really needs to get the virus and die.

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Lord Rother wrote:For the good of the world he really needs to get the virus and die.


Agreed!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 15 May 2020, 10:44

How wrong they were.

Trump didn’t win the election.
The Emoluments Clause will stop Trump from being inaugurated.
The economy will descend into a depression after he was inaugurated.
There is a pee tape.
Trump is a Russian spy, an asset, Putin’s puppet.
Michael Cohen met with the Russians in Prague.
(Mohammed Atta met with the Iraqis in Prague.)
Trump sold out the U.S. to build a hotel in Moscow.
Trump wants to buy Greenland to build a hotel.
Trump left the Saudis off the No Fly Muslim list because he had a hotel there.
Trump will start a war with Iran over moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Trump will start a war with Iran over the nuclear treaty.
Trump will start a war with Iran to distract from COVID.
The Kurds will all die in a genocide.
We have to take out Assad (and earlier, Saddam, and Qaddafi,) or there will be a genocide.
Trump’s trade war with China will bankrupt us.
Trump will start a nuclear war with North Korea.
Trump’s peace overtures with North Korea are dangerous.
Kim Jong Un is dead.
Trump will invade Venezuela.
Trump will withdraw from NATO.
(Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.)
James Comey will change everything.
Robert Mueller will change everything.
SDNY will change everything.
Michael Avenatti will run for president.
Papadopoulos, Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, will flip and bring down Trump.
Beto, Cory Booker, Mayor Pete, Kamala, AOC, Stacey Abrams are the new Obama.
Diversity is the key to Democratic victory in 2020.
The rule of law ended in America.
Democracy died in America.
It’s Weimar.
It’s the fall of Rome.
Impeachment will end Trump’s time in office.
The 25th Amendment will end Trump’s time in office.
The Whistleblower will end Trump’s time in office.
Marie Yovanovitch will end Trump’s time in office with her testimony.
John Bolton will end Trump’s time in office with his book.
Ronan Farrow will end trump’s time in office with his book.
The Parkland Kids will change everything.
The Covington Kids are racists.
Two million Americans will die of corona.
Blocking visitors from China is racist and ineffectual.
There are not enough ventilators.
There is not enough PPE.
There are not enough ICU beds.
The Chinese supply chain will stop and no more iPhones.
Trump is going to defund the Post Office to block mail-in ballots so he can steal the election.
Trump is going to fire Mueller, Barr, Rosenstein, Mattis, Jared, Ivanka, Pence, Bolton, Fauci.
Trump avoids the press and hasn’t held a briefing in a year, bring him out.
Networks should not air Trump’s open mic night briefings.
People will die if my neighbor doesn’t wear a paper mask but lukewarm delivery food is safe.
People in NYC will die if Starbucks opens but it’s OK for the subway to run.
The stock market’s historic rise doesn’t matter for Trump’s reelection because most Americans don’t own stock.
The stock market’s historic decline will destroy Trump’s reelection chances.
If we end the lockdown too soon everyone is going to die.


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The above is from an essay about how the left is defending Biden re his supposed Tara Rede rape/harassment charge vs how the left castigated Cavanaugh supposed similar misdeeds. https://wemeantwell.com/blog/
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Postby toomanyhatz » 15 May 2020, 21:17

Ooh, can I play too?

Democrats and republicans are essentially the same
But her e-mails!
Thank God Trump is in charge! Imagine the disaster if Killary was!
You're a neo-liberal
But her e-mails!
Obama made $5 billion dollars for one speaking engagement
You're just demonizing Putin because Russia!
But her e-mails!
Free health care for all right now because we demand it! Trump's gonna help us get it!
Bernie was robbed!
But her e-mails!
Drain the swamp
If 2% of the population dies, they're just old people anyway.
But her e-mails!
Good people on both sides
Killary
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Shillary
But her e-mails!
But her e-mails!
But her e-mails!

Repeat as needed.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 15 May 2020, 21:23

Oh, I forgot:

Bill Clinton was a rapist too. Which is Hillary's fault because she murdered anyone who filed a complaint.

and one more:

But her e-mails!

For good measure.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 16 May 2020, 02:03

Two swings and two misses.

By miss I mean you again miss my point, which, to be fair, is not because you are dumb. My larger point is how fearful people get (myself included) by reading or seeing our usual sources when they make predictions. By laying out all these prediction flops i.e., how the Kurds will be massacred because Trump I learned by all those examples how not to trust predictions and to just trust news of what has actually happened.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 16 May 2020, 23:52

So let's just say for the sake of argument that I agree with your basic premise (which doesn't take a lot of imagination because I do, to a point).

Prediction flops based on what? Were they predictions that were universal to all news sources, worded in exactly this manner? No, they were not.

Are they all definitively proven untrue now? Not even close.

How about put some of those in less hysterical terms as, by and large, the media is actually doing?

Two million Americans will die of corona.
There is the potential that two million Americans could have died were no precautions taken (which of course they were - we still don't know the numbers, but they keep rising).

Blocking visitors from China is racist and ineffectual.
Indiscriminately blocking visitors from China based on limited data is certainly racist, was not handled in an effectual manner - anyone remember those shots of airports overcrowded with Americans returning from abroad? - and in an atmosphere of bad or limited communication, at best shows bad leadership.

There are not enough ventilators.
There are not enough ventilators to go around if there is a large wave of cases at once, which is why precautions are necessary. (I believe this one has been proven true, personally. At least I'm happy we prepared for worst-case scenario rather than best. Thank your governors for that, not the Orange Menace.)

There is not enough PPE.
Ditto.

There are not enough ICU beds.
I'm sensing a pattern here.

The Chinese supply chain will stop and no more iPhones.
Good lord, who said this? No one said this! "Stop" and "no more?" Hysterical language paraphrased to be more hysterical.

Trump is going to defund the Post Office to block mail-in ballots so he can steal the election.
He's certainly doing his best. Why was Betsy DeVos put in charge of education, about which she knows nothing? Same damn reason Trump made the Postal Service appointment he made.

Trump is going to fire Mueller, Barr, Rosenstein, Mattis, Jared, Ivanka, Pence, Bolton, Fauci.
He's certainly fired plenty of people, or they've bailed as soon as they recognized how anxious he was to throw them under the bus. He's not authorized to fire Fauci, and he knows that.

Trump avoids the press and hasn’t held a briefing in a year, bring him out.
Networks should not air Trump’s open mic night briefings.

Both opinions aired in opinion sections. Business as usual, as it's been for the entire lifetime of our nation. Suck it up, snowflake.

People will die if my neighbor doesn’t wear a paper mask but lukewarm delivery food is safe.
Again, hysterical language paraphrased to appear hysterical. Masks help but are not cure-alls. Nobody ever said they were. "Lukewarm" is an utterly meaningless word in this context. What kind of food? Delivered how? Prepared how? Number of unmasked people who've contracted the Coronavirus- many. Number for people who've contracted it from food- none that I'm aware of.

People in NYC will die if Starbucks opens but it’s OK for the subway to run.
Again, nice paraphrasing. Starbucks drive-throughs have been open the whole time, at least here. Nobody said it was "OK" for the subway to run. One's an essential service, one isn't. Precautions have been taken in both cases.

The stock market’s historic rise doesn’t matter for Trump’s reelection because most Americans don’t own stock.
Not a universally held opinion, and vague enough to be unproveable in any case.

The stock market’s historic decline will destroy Trump’s reelection chances.
Ditto.

If we end the lockdown too soon everyone is going to die.
Again, nobody said this - at least not in these terms. Several states are ending the lockdown too soon imo. Let's see what effect that has on the numbers.

Let's look at some Trump predictions, shall we? Let's start with “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.” How about “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.” Or the Trump White House claiming it “inherited” a “broken,” “bad,” and “obsolete” test for the coronavirus. Umm..this is a new virus, genius. You didn't 'inherit' anything other than your daddy's complete lack of regard for other people. How about “Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful” and “If somebody wants to be tested right now, they’ll be able to be tested.” A claim first made in March. Two months later, we're finally (sort of) approaching a decent level of testing.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Flower » 19 May 2020, 13:55


Donald Trump says he’s taking hydroxychloroquine to protect against COVID-19


There is no evidence the drug prevents getting sick from the novel coronavirus

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/18/2126 ... s-covid-19

President Donald Trump said he’s taking antimalarial medication hydroxychloroquine and zinc because he believes the drugs could prevent COVID-19.

“Here’s my evidence. I get a lot of positive calls about it,” he said today in a White House roundtable with restaurant executives. Trump said he’s been taking the drugs every day for a week and a half and that he has not had any COVID-19 symptoms. People close to the president, including one of Trump’s valets and Vice President Mike Pence’s press secretary, recently tested positive for the virus.

There is still no evidence that taking hydroxychloroquine can prevent someone from contracting or getting sick from the coronavirus. It’s a possibility — a number of research groups are running clinical trials to see if the drug could protect health care workers who are regularly exposed to the virus from getting sick — but no data from those studies is available yet.

Trump said he’s following the lead of frontline workers. “You look at doctors and nurses, a lot of them are taking it as a preventative,” he said. While there are clinical trials looking specifically at using the drug as a preventive for health care workers, it is still not clear how many health care workers are taking the drug. Side effects of hydroxychloroquine include damage to part of the eye, life-threatening heart effects, and muscular weakness.

Trump spent weeks promoting hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. His administration reportedly pushed the Food and Drug Administration and the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority to authorize the use of the drug for COVID-19 outside of the hospital, based on meager evidence. While early data showed that hydroxychloroquine may help some patients, additional studies found that it wasn’t effective and could have dangerous side effects, especially in people with severe symptoms. Trump stopped touting the drug after that data was publicized. In April, the FDA warned against the use of the drug for COVID-19 outside the hospital or a clinical trial.

While Trump says that he is taking hydroxychloroquine and zinc, that can’t be independently verified. All the public has is his word, and neither he nor his White House have been reliable sources of information during this pandemic. Among other things, Trump has spent the pandemic publicly recommending treatment strategies for COVID-19 based on limited evidence. In late April, he appeared to suggest that Lysol injections could cure the disease. No therapies have been proven to effectively treat or prevent COVID-19.

At time of publication, more than 90,000 people in the United States have died of the disease.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby The Prof » 19 May 2020, 14:15

Sam Stone wrote:From the Gruaniad. Getting to the point when you couldn't make this sort of stuff up.


That was nearly a fortnight ago!

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sam Stone » 19 May 2020, 14:28

The Prof wrote:
Sam Stone wrote:From the Gruaniad. Getting to the point when you couldn't make this sort of stuff up.


That was nearly a fortnight ago!

Every day brings new unbelievable surprises.



Jesus, it’s come to a pretty pass when even Piers Morgan is talking sense