Former President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Rorschach » 27 Feb 2020, 11:26

Still Baron wrote:So is it just me or is President Trump setting up Vice President Pence for a big time fall ...


Ooh, interesting. I have no idea why you think that. Do tell.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby der Freiherr » 27 Feb 2020, 14:34

Rorschach wrote:
Still Baron wrote:So is it just me or is President Trump setting up Vice President Pence for a big time fall ...


Ooh, interesting. I have no idea why you think that. Do tell.


Of all the aspects of governing, this is one a president can have most unfettered involvement in and one that President Trump is least interested in dealing with. His administration is not well poised to deal with this, given his neglect of public health appointments, the CDC, and his general antipathy.

It appears possible, and maybe probable, that the spread of this will cause at least widespread disruption in American lives. Unless they can somehow prevent its spread into the US (don’t think they can) then it’s gonna look bad unless it just fizzles out with no drama. Based on the budget cuts and the neglect of the CDC, the Trump Administration will be the obvious (and rightful) target of the media. Trump can then blame Pence, deflecting blame from himself. It’s what he does. As I see it, Pence can’t win (unless he has some sort of ... viral moment of heroism or empathy or some such). I think Trump would happily drop him in the hot grease. He’s served his purpose.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Rorschach » 27 Feb 2020, 14:44

Still Baron wrote:
Of all the aspects of governing, this is one a president can have most unfettered involvement in and one that President Trump is least interested in dealing with. His administration is not well poised to deal with this, given his neglect of public health appointments, the CDC, and his general antipathy.

It appears possible, and maybe probable, that the spread of this will cause at least widespread disruption in American lives. Unless they can somehow prevent its spread into the US (don’t think they can) then it’s gonna look bad unless it just fizzles out with no drama. Based on the budget cuts and the neglect of the CDC, the Trump Administration will be the obvious (and rightful) target of the media. Trump can then blame Pence, deflecting blame from himself. It’s what he does. As I see it, Pence can’t win (unless he has some sort of ... viral moment of heroism or empathy or some such). I think Trump would happily drop him in the hot grease. He’s served his purpose.


Thanks for that. I hadn't realised that Pence had been made Plague Tsar. Just saw the story now. The details you've written make it all clear.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby harvey k-tel » 27 Feb 2020, 18:46

Don't worry, I heard Liberty University is giving Pence an honorary doctorate in Epidemiology so everything's going to be fine.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Six String » 27 Feb 2020, 18:55

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We need not worry. Pence is very strong at leading prayer. :roll:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby der Freiherr » 27 Feb 2020, 19:10

Holy shit a superdelegate showdown would be such a clusterfuck. All the Bernie Bros would go bananas and the Dems would be fucked for a good long while.

The NYT wrote:WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer, the minority leader, hear constant warnings from allies about congressional losses in November if the party nominates Bernie Sanders for president. Democratic House members share their Sanders fears on text-messaging chains. Bill Clinton, in calls with old friends, vents about the party getting wiped out in the general election.

And officials in the national and state parties are increasingly anxious about splintered primaries on Super Tuesday and beyond, where the liberal Mr. Sanders edges out moderate candidates who collectively win more votes.

Dozens of interviews with Democratic establishment leaders this week show that they are not just worried about Mr. Sanders’s candidacy, but are also willing to risk intraparty damage to stop his nomination at the national convention in July if they get the chance. Since Mr. Sanders’s victory in Nevada’s caucuses on Saturday, The Times has interviewed 93 party officials — all of them superdelegates, who could have a say on the nominee at the convention — and found overwhelming opposition to handing the Vermont senator the nomination if he arrived with the most delegates but fell short of a majority.


BUT, See ...

The NYT wrote:The argument of Mr. Sanders and his allies — that a plurality of delegates should be sufficient to clinch the nomination — is a different standard than the one laid out in party rules that his team helped draft two years ago. It’s also a reversal of their stance in 2016, when Mr. Sanders encouraged superdelegates to support him over Mrs. Clinton, who secured the majority of pledged delegates.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/p ... gates.html
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 27 Feb 2020, 20:27

Still Baron wrote:
NYT - The argument of Mr. Sanders and his allies — that a plurality of delegates should be sufficient to clinch the nomination — is a different standard than the one laid out in party rules that his team helped draft two years ago.



Lying New York Times. "Helped draft" my ass. Just reminded that Bernie fought against having any superdelegates at all and reluctantly accepted their role in a compromise.

Crystal - "They would rather lose to Donald Trump ... than let Bernie win."

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby der Freiherr » 27 Feb 2020, 23:53

Jimbo wrote:
Still Baron wrote:
NYT - The argument of Mr. Sanders and his allies — that a plurality of delegates should be sufficient to clinch the nomination — is a different standard than the one laid out in party rules that his team helped draft two years ago.



Lying New York Times. "Helped draft" my ass. Just reminded that Bernie fought against having any superdelegates at all and reluctantly accepted their role in a compromise.


In what regard is the NYT lying? Was he actually for a rule holding that the nominee with the plurality of delegates (rather than a majority) gets the nomination? If so, what happened? Did his team not take part in drafting the rules?

Jimbo wrote:Crystal - "They would rather lose to Donald Trump ... than let Bernie win."



That's 10 minutes I'll never get back. The usual litany of false premises (or, in Jimbo speak, lies) followed by desired conclusions.
Is Elizabeth Warren really a hypocrite because she has been against superdelegates and is now running in a race in which she and the other candidates are bound by rules that include them? It's a bit like attacking someone as a hypocrite for running their campaign to maximize electoral college votes rather than a popular vote when they have criticized the electoral college system in the past

Would the democratic bigwigs rather lose the election than see Bernie be the nominee? I think what is much closer to the truth (and is borne out by the story) is that the democratic bigwigs are worried that Bernie as the nominee will lose. That's why most of them don't want him. To be clear, I think it would be a very foolish move to bust a superdelegate heavy move if he has something close to a majority. Finally, Krystal's conspiracy theory about leaders of left wing PACs (and the like) pulling for another Trump term so they can carry on raising money is remarkably silly. Are there some very cynical, unscrupulous political operatives out there? For sure. But I rather suspect that the people setting up and running left wing action committees and PACs and whatever else do so because they think that the Republican Party and the Trump Adnimistration are existential threats to their entire worldview. C'mon, man. What a load of amateurish, addled nonsense.

Here endeth my seasonal response to Jimbo. Talk again in late spring, old chap.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 28 Feb 2020, 02:46

Still Baron wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Still Baron wrote:
NYT - The argument of Mr. Sanders and his allies — that a plurality of delegates should be sufficient to clinch the nomination — is a different standard than the one laid out in party rules that his team helped draft two years ago.



Lying New York Times. "Helped draft" my ass. Just reminded that Bernie fought against having any superdelegates at all and reluctantly accepted their role in a compromise.


In what regard is the NYT lying? Was he actually for a rule holding that the nominee with the plurality of delegates (rather than a majority) gets the nomination? If so, what happened? Did his team not take part in drafting the rules?

Jimbo wrote:Crystal - "They would rather lose to Donald Trump ... than let Bernie win."



That's 10 minutes I'll never get back. The usual litany of false premises (or, in Jimbo speak, lies) followed by desired conclusions.
Is Elizabeth Warren really a hypocrite because she has been against superdelegates and is now running in a race in which she and the other candidates are bound by rules that include them? It's a bit like attacking someone as a hypocrite for running their campaign to maximize electoral college votes rather than a popular vote when they have criticized the electoral college system in the past

Would the democratic bigwigs rather lose the election than see Bernie be the nominee? I think what is much closer to the truth (and is borne out by the story) is that the democratic bigwigs are worried that Bernie as the nominee will lose. That's why most of them don't want him. To be clear, I think it would be a very foolish move to bust a superdelegate heavy move if he has something close to a majority. Finally, Krystal's conspiracy theory about leaders of left wing PACs (and the like) pulling for another Trump term so they can carry on raising money is remarkably silly. Are there some very cynical, unscrupulous political operatives out there? For sure. But I rather suspect that the people setting up and running left wing action committees and PACs and whatever else do so because they think that the Republican Party and the Trump Adnimistration are existential threats to their entire worldview. C'mon, man. What a load of amateurish, addled nonsense.

Here endeth my seasonal response to Jimbo. Talk again in late spring, old chap.


The Times in this case is lying by omitting the truth of why Bernie, after a fight to do away with superdelegates altogether lost but did manage to craft a compromise which lessened the power of the superdelegates. The Times and you says like Pee Wee Herman might, "You agreed to superdelegates no backsies!"

And you think that all the interviewed superdelegates worry that Bernie is so weak he will lose to Trump rather than in Krystal's opinion that they'd rather have Trump again? Too cynical for ya? First of all, their job to not to pick whom they think will win and secondly, their jobs, their sinecures, rather, are in jeopardy if Bernie wins. Trump wins they're fine for another four years of doing nothing and getting paid. Think Biden or even Warren would try and shake up the party like Bernie might? No, he may be the people's choice but the party fucking hates him. News flash! THEY HATE SOCIALISTS. You pretend to think that this is just how business is done, how the sausage is made but no, this is what happens when power is threatened. The superdelegates are their last hope.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby ` » 10 Mar 2020, 11:33

“If the Dow Joans (sic) ever falls more than 1,000 points in a single day, the sitting president should be loaded into a very big cannon and shot into the sun at TREMENDOUS SPEED. No excuses.”
Donald J. Trump, February 25, 2015.

Yesterday, the Dow fell more than 2,000 points.

Anyone know where we need to meet up to wave the Donald off?

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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I went to a lecture - just before lockdown kicked-in - by a clinical psychiatrist and technical advisor on Killing Eve, about psychopathy / sociopathy.

He went through the list of the indicators that suggest a person may be a psychopath (the so called Psychopath Test) these include

Lack of any kind of empathy beyond the false and superficial;
Shallowness / superficial charm;
User of others - socially / sexually /professionally - to achieve personal goals;
Amorality

(from wikipedia):

The triarchic model[1] suggests that different conceptions of psychopathy emphasize three observable characteristics to various degrees. Analyses have been made with respect to the applicability of measurement tools such as the Psychopathy Checklist (PCL, PCL-R) and Psychopathic Personality Inventory (PPI) to this model.[1][4]

Boldness. Low fear including stress-tolerance, toleration of unfamiliarity and danger, and high self-confidence and social assertiveness. The PCL-R measures this relatively poorly and mainly through Facet 1 of Factor 1. Similar to PPI Fearless dominance. May correspond to differences in the amygdala and other neurological systems associated with fear.[1][4]
Disinhibition. Poor impulse control including problems with planning and foresight, lacking affect and urge control, demand for immediate gratification, and poor behavioral restraints. Similar to PCL-R Factor 2 and PPI Impulsive antisociality. May correspond to impairments in frontal lobe systems that are involved in such control.[1][4]
Meanness. Lacking empathy and close attachments with others, disdain of close attachments, use of cruelty to gain empowerment, exploitative tendencies, defiance of authority, and destructive excitement seeking. The PCL-R in general is related to this but in particular some elements in Factor 1. Similar to PPI, but also includes elements of subscales in Impulsive antisociality.[1][4]


With Trump there is a recklessness, but you also get the impression that he's a cowherd.

Studies have linked psychopathy to alternative dimensions such as antagonism (high), conscientiousness (low) and anxiousness (low).[18]

Psychopathy has also been linked to high psychoticism—a theorized dimension referring to tough, aggressive or hostile tendencies. Aspects of this that appear associated with psychopathy are lack of socialization and responsibility, impulsivity, sensation-seeking (in some cases), and aggression.[19][20][21]

Otto Kernberg, from a particular psychoanalytic perspective, believed psychopathy should be considered as part of a spectrum of pathological narcissism, that would range from narcissistic personality on the low end, malignant narcissism in the middle, and psychopathy at the high end.[21]

Psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism, three personality traits that are together referred to as the dark triad, share certain characteristics, such as a callous-manipulative interpersonal style.[22] The dark tetrad refers to these traits with the addition of sadism.[23][24][25][26][27][28]


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Meanwhile, what's left of the Tea Party (remember them?)
seem to be making a doomed attempt at Turd Immunity

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1185611

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Whoa! Yeah, that certainly slipped past me.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Flower » 23 Apr 2020, 13:56

A Not-Even-Close-To-Complete List Of Things I Hate About Donald Trump

We need a 12-step recovery program for all the newly minted haters, including me.


https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/a-n ... ri18n=true

I am suffering from Election Fatigue. I’ve had enough and can’t listen or watch too much more without thinking that civilization as we know it is ending. And yes, I blame Donald Trump and his band of GOP merry pranksters. Like every other person at the water cooler from which I drink, I keep thinking he can’t get any worse and then he does. Here are just some of low moments I wish I could unsee.

I want someone to teach Stalker Man that what he dismisses as “locker room talk” is sickening and offensive.

How do you shrug off a man who brags about sexually assaulting women in the most vulgar of terms and who, in the next breath, says, “Oh, nevermind that. Let’s talk about ISIS instead.” Yeah, let’s talk about ISIS. Why should we be afraid of terrorists when we have you, Donnie Boy?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby The Fish » 25 Apr 2020, 17:25

Flower wrote:A Not-Even-Close-To-Complete List Of Things I Hate About Donald Trump

We need a 12-step recovery program for all the newly minted haters, including me.


https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/a-n ... ri18n=true

I am suffering from Election Fatigue. I’ve had enough and can’t listen or watch too much more without thinking that civilization as we know it is ending. And yes, I blame Donald Trump and his band of GOP merry pranksters. Like every other person at the water cooler from which I drink, I keep thinking he can’t get any worse and then he does. Here are just some of low moments I wish I could unsee.

I want someone to teach Stalker Man that what he dismisses as “locker room talk” is sickening and offensive.

How do you shrug off a man who brags about sexually assaulting women in the most vulgar of terms and who, in the next breath, says, “Oh, nevermind that. Let’s talk about ISIS instead.” Yeah, let’s talk about ISIS. Why should we be afraid of terrorists when we have you, Donnie Boy?


The problem with critcising Trump is that it really is shooting fish in a barrel and it's hard to find the words that up the ante and really convey the required anger. that article was a fair attempt, although as the days go by I'm more and more wondering what Hunter S would have said. His obituary piece on Nixon.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-a-crook/308699/

....still remains a benchmark for me.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Flower » 25 Apr 2020, 17:35

The Fish!

I agree about Trump. I often allow the bile to flow. Just don't understand how (I know the details) anyone could vote for him or even follow his tweets.

I enjoyed the article. Thanks.

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If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby ` » 07 May 2020, 08:46

From the Gruaniad. Getting to the point when you couldn't make this sort of stuff up.

Live and Let Die plays as Trump visits mask factory without a mask

As the president toured the Arizona facility the song blasted – and many couldn’t help but notice a metaphor
During a pandemic that has seen more than 70,000 deaths in the US (almost a quarter of the global amount), there is probably no worse song the president could walk out to than Live and Let Die, a cover by the rock band Guns N’ Roses. But these are strange times, and so as Donald Trump walked around an N95 mask manufacturing plant in Phoenix, Arizona, that’s exactly what happened.

The president was, of course, not wearing a mask. He never does. Even when standing next to a bin full of hundreds of masks, in a mask manufacturing factory, he still managed not to wear one. And so, watching a clip of Trump being told how the mask works to prevent the spread of the deadly virus, it’s hard not to imagine he is off somewhere in his head, thinking about what he’s going to have for his dinner (that would be fries).

“Thats great, that’s great,” says Trump, as a Honeywell employee describes how the mask traps air particles. “How many do you make a day, Ryan?” he asks, breathing all over the bin full of masks. They blasted “Live and Let Die” while Trump walked around a Honeywell plant today in Arizona without a mask. It’s hard to believe this clip is real.

Then comes his movie moment. As if to let us know what’s been going on inside Trump’s head all this time, the song begins to blast:

If this ever-changin’ world
In which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die …”


Jimmy Kimmel couldn’t help but notice a metaphor in the moment.

I can think of no better metaphor for this presidency than Donald Trump not wearing a face mask to a face mask factory while the song “Live and Let Die” blares in the background.

But the incident left some thinking Trump may have just found his 2020 election slogan. Finally, an appropriate slogan.
Trump 2020: Live and Let Die #LALD

Then, theories began circulating about the person who decided to play that song at that moment. Some thought it was Trump’s idea. Others put it down to a moment of pure genius.

Whoever had the balls to play Live and Let Die while Trump toured the mask factory can deejay any party I ever have for the rest of my life. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257814281330069504

Others, meanwhile, imagined the explanation to be a touch more serendipitous.
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I know people see this as some small act of rebellion, and maybe it was, but it's just as likely they were listening to some "all rock, less talk" station called, like, 105.7 KROQ, THE BONE and it just happened to come on. https://t.co/1OweNiPZAU

We are yet to find out whether the soundtrack for Trump’s Honeywell visit was approved by the plant or Guns N’ Roses. The Guardian was redirected to the White House after contacting Honeywell for comment, meanwhile, Guns N’ Roses representatives are yet to respond. Guns N’ Roses’ frontman, Axl Rose, once requested that Trump stop playing their songs at his rallies. But then again, Rose has been vocal about his dismay over Trump’s response to the pandemic – so perhaps he’ll be pleased his lyrics at least made Trump look like an idiot this time round.

Trump, of course, tweeted out his own video from the visit, sans metaphorical music but full of masked workers surrounding an administration that just doesn’t seem to care.

Live and let die, I guess.