President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 17 Nov 2019, 15:34

And Jimbo is a Russian troll. Now more than ever you know I'm right.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 17 Nov 2019, 18:53

bobzilla77 wrote:If nepotism is corruption then put the entire Trump family on trial for treason immediately.


Yeah, baby! Get 'em! Get 'em all!

Here is a pithy phrase I just came up with while researching how corrupt Biden is especially with regards to this Ukraine kerfuffle. You ready? Nepotism is corruption adjacent. You want to protect Joe arguing that he is not responsible for Hunter's acts when Hunter gets a cushy, high paying job for a top Ukrainian gas company when Joe's job is to oversee America's absorption of post-coup, now not corrupt Ukraine? Remember: nepotism is corruption adjacent.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 17 Nov 2019, 19:18

Ew. What’s that smell? :p
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 17 Nov 2019, 19:23

Sneelock wrote:Ew. What’s that smell? :p


Poo-tin.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 17 Nov 2019, 19:46

(Sneelock listens to Ariana Grande on his earbuds, snaps his gum & takes selfies)
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 17 Nov 2019, 22:45

Jimbo wrote: You want to protect Joe
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Who the fuck are you talking to? Protect him from what? The disapproving glances of you and your "sources?"

For the record, I am not a Biden fan. Not that that matters. I don't think there's a single person anywhere, let alone here, that thinks Hunter was the right man for the job he was given. Or is denying that he was using his father's name. Or that the company thought it was advantageous to have the VP's son on their board. What has not been substantially proven is that Joe got anything out of it. These events happened in 2015 and were all done above-board and in the public eye. Why weren't they investigated at the time? Either Joe is a master criminal - doubtful based on the large amount of gaffes he's made on the campaign trail - or there's no there there.

And like several people have said above, why choose the phone call as a way to force an investigation? Were the normal channels broken?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 17 Nov 2019, 23:41

It’s a pattern.
1.) TRUMP does something stupid, illegal or boorish.
2.) heaven & earth are moved to change the context of the events
3.) TRUMP is somehow supposed to be absolved of any blame, the blame is assigned to others or ouila! There is no blame to assign.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 18 Nov 2019, 01:38

Sneelock wrote:It’s a pattern.


The pattern is how the Democrats move heaven and earth to make these weak tea cases against Trump and then fail. Meanwhile my sources are screaming out to them alternative and more viable instances where Trump is vulnerable like his misuse of military power. ("Wait a minute. You stole the oil from Syria? "Lemme get this straight, you overthrew the government of Bolivia? Why would you do that?")
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Diamond Dog » 18 Nov 2019, 04:38

Jimbo wrote: Meanwhile my sources ..


Shut the fuck up.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 18 Nov 2019, 05:21

Diamond Dog wrote:
Jimbo wrote: Meanwhile my sources ..


Shut the fuck up.


I might when you start saying something for once. Your troll-ish sniping is utterly useless.

You do understand by my "sources" I mean relevant shit that I read and watch, not deep state whistle blowers whom I meet in parking garages.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 18 Nov 2019, 16:05

People who watch Fox tv and InfoWars and read Breitbart think they have “sources” too.

A confirmation bias loop is a confirmation bias loop.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Davey the Fat Boy wrote:People who watch Fox tv and InfoWars and read Breitbart think they have “sources” too.

A confirmation bias loop is a confirmation bias loop.


As do "lying" New York Times readers.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Hepcat » 18 Nov 2019, 16:24

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:People who watch Fox tv and InfoWars and read Breitbart think they have “sources” too.

A confirmation bias loop is a confirmation bias loop.


Oh for fuck's sake! Yet somehow you refuse to accept the possibility (certainty actually) that your own preferred "sources" are equally biased.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 18 Nov 2019, 16:48

Hepcat wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:People who watch Fox tv and InfoWars and read Breitbart think they have “sources” too.

A confirmation bias loop is a confirmation bias loop.


Oh for fuck's sake! Yet somehow you refuse to accept the possibility (certainty actually) that your own preferred "sources" are equally biased.

:roll:


I don’t have “sources.” Neither do most of the sane people I know - including ALMOST everyone on this thread.

Unless I’m projecting, my sense of it is that most of us here access news from across the information spectrum. We trust certain publications more than others, based on track record - but we’re always skeptical. Even of more generally trusted news providers.

Of course, it is always good to ignore the charlatans (**cough** Caitlin). But bad actors earn their way onto that list.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 18 Nov 2019, 17:02

the corporate media is it's own problem. just because I use it reliably does NOT mean I use it unquestioningly. in fact, you can use "media watchdog" groups to help you navigate this. there is undeniable bias in our mainstream press as even the slightest grazing of current events in any Latin American country right now will attest.

Propaganda is another matter. yes, I said the word. I choose the word carefully because I think it's exactly the right word to use. Jimbo has become infatuated with modern day Russia at pretty much the same time I've been increasingly concerned. I've been noticing RT techniques being rather brazenly adopted by our own commentators & politicians. Falsehoods or hasty conclusions suddenly dominate all conversation. many sources reach the same conclusions. Our Right-wing has always been good at suddenly all being on the same page but look how drastically this has sped up in the last two years. "No Quid Pro Quo" was on every right winger's lips even as the evidence of Quid Pro Quo was mounting. Also, the steady drum-beat of challenging the "credibility" of people who reach other conclusions.

we are knee deep in propaganda right now. Attorney General William Barr gave a couple of speeches recently where he characterizes evil "Radical Secularists" who he, the main custodian of the rule of law in America rails against as being the main law and order issue in America today. think about that for a minute - "Radical Secularists" what is he getting at? well, it's pretty obvious and it should chill you to the fucking bone.

people who are sorting through the news are NOT doing the same thing as people who are grabbing a bucket to gather up what is being sprayed at them.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 18 Nov 2019, 17:17

Davey the Fat Boy wrote: I don’t have “sources.”


Of course you do. Whichever news story or editorial you tend to believe or agree with, that is your "source."
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Diamond Dog » 18 Nov 2019, 19:58

Jimbo wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Jimbo wrote: Meanwhile my sources ..


Shut the fuck up.


I might when you start saying something for once. Your troll-ish sniping is utterly useless.

You do understand by my "sources" I mean relevant shit that I read and watch, not deep state whistle blowers whom I meet in parking garages.


So stop quoting them as "your sources" as if they are someone akin to Deep Throat. Just put "I read" or "I saw" or even "I believe" but stop with the "my sources" shit, like they're answerable directly to you and no one else on here is in the 'inner circle'.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Hepcat » 18 Nov 2019, 20:58

Sneelock wrote:Our Right-wing has always been good at suddenly all being on the same page but look how drastically this has sped up in the last two years.


And this is only the "Right Wing"? Not the "Left Wing"?

And is there a good quantifiable definition of either, other than of course whoever/whatever you dislike is "Right Wing"? And is there any internal consistency in the views of either wing?

This of course all revolves around my underlying point "How do you know if a politician is lying? His lips are moving." They all promise pie-in-the-sky funded with your own taxpayers' money but since there is never enough of that money, they're very hard pressed to deliver. All they can do is to take several steps further along the way to Venezuela style insolvency.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 18 Nov 2019, 21:19

Diamond Dog wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Shut the fuck up.


I might when you start saying something for once. Your troll-ish sniping is utterly useless.

You do understand by my "sources" I mean relevant shit that I read and watch, not deep state whistle blowers whom I meet in parking garages.


So stop quoting them as "your sources" as if they are someone akin to Deep Throat. Just put "I read" or "I saw" or even "I believe" but stop with the "my sources" shit, like they're answerable directly to you and no one else on here is in the 'inner circle'.



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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 18 Nov 2019, 21:28

But “my sources” doesn’t just mean “I read” or “I saw.” The emphasis should be on the “my” - as in “these are the people that I identify with.”
They are his friends. His tribe. He really wants us to accept them, because rejecting them means rejecting him.

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