President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 06 Feb 2019, 03:25

Still Baron wrote:I can’t believe you watch this stuff


You've got a point.

It's just hate-watching, I admit it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 06 Feb 2019, 03:35

The very end was pretty excellent. Whoever wrote the closing act of that speech deserves a raise. Too bad ol' Doofus Trump was delivering it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 06 Feb 2019, 04:28

my wife brought me home a little something because she knew I'd have watched it and she knew I'd be depressed.
It seems to me that maybe the reason he stopped the stupid, goddam government shutdown was so he could have the prime time TV coverage.
As far as I'm concerned TRUMP 2020 has officially begun.

Count Machuki wrote:The very end was pretty excellent. Whoever wrote the closing act of that speech deserves a raise. Too bad ol' Doofus Trump was delivering it.


but he WAS delivering it, Blanche. okay, yeah, it's hard to say "I don't like hearing calls for unity" but it's easy to say I don't believe a word of it.

I mean, calls for unity when an hour earlier he was slamming "partisan investigations" as being bad for the economy? his use of the word "socialism" was clearly meant to conflate the political disaster in Venezuela to factions within the Democratic party. unity my BALLS. He didn't even mention the damned shutdown but his language on his "wall" (if it's still a wall) makes it clear that he expects a "win" in this fight and he doesn't exactly exude an air of diplomatic flexibiltiy.

the whole speech made my brain hurt. he said we need to end foreign wars then sabre rattles Iran, brags of intervention & ending arms agreements. He threw ALL that red meat to the base about the rampaging hordes streaming over the border to kill us then...
makes a room full of Republicans stand up and cheer for...
curing Cancer in children! AIDS research! protecting people's insurance for preexisiting conditions!!! I could hear old white people all over America go "hmmmmm, maybe this guy ain't so bad after all" when the fact of the matter is that he's worse than ever.

saying you're for party unity is easy to SAY. Next time he does a jackass partisan thing and I gripe about it - I know exactly who is going to reprimand me for it. "but, you heard him! he SAID he was for party unity" I'm the bad guy. I must be a socialist. I must want evil women to tear their babies from their wombs minutes before they are born. :shock: All I'm saying is that this is not the language of Unity.

Things are going to get ugly, man. when I hear what sounds like chanting football hooligans at a State of the Union - it makes me uneasy.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 06 Feb 2019, 17:38

Jimbo wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:Definitely DON'T read this, Jimbo. It's just what the mainstream media want you to believe, with their well documented sourcing and actual reportage.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/az ... phAl62Ap3a

Secret Files Show How Trump Moscow Talks Unfolded While Trump Heaped Praise On Putin
Ahead of Michael Cohen’s testimony, read the original paper trail behind the campaign to build Europe’s tallest tower in Moscow — and how it played out alongside Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.


More nothing. No collusion, no Putin, no blackmail, no trolls, no stolen emails, nothing but a another smear job. Read the documents. The last dated email was June 14, 2016. The nomination was July 16, 2016. Close but no after nomination business.

Giuliani already admitted talks went up through November.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 07 Feb 2019, 00:28

Calls for unity, my ASS! A lot of what he said sounded lovely - more women in Congress than ever before! People serving time for non-violent drug offenses being released! The social safety net being protected! An end to pointless wars! - until you realize he's fought every last one of those things tooth-and-nail from the beginning - and now that he can't stop them, he's taking credit for them.

And the "USA! USA!" chants made me very queasy. I've seen "Triumph of the Will." Certain types of unity are very much the opposite of comforting.

I'm all for genuine unity, but you can't pat me on the back hard enough for me to not feel the knife.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 07 Feb 2019, 14:37

I should be clear and say that I was only admiring the writing and rhetoric of the last bit of the SoU speech.
Trump can still go to Hell.

And, yes, those chants were creeeeepy.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 07 Feb 2019, 22:25

I AM SO PROGRESSIVE THAT I AM ALREADY PREPARING MY 2020 PROTEST VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP

"Is it so much to ask for radical, sweeping, overnight change? I realize that several of the Democratic candidates are campaigning on free college and universal healthcare for all. But none of them are campaigning for free college and universal healthcare for all overnight. They’re suggesting strategies for working within the confines of Washington to produce gradual results over time. Um, sounds a little MODERATE to me, doesn’t it??"
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 07 Feb 2019, 23:59

:lol: Gary Johnson? I'd have guessed Jill Stein. thanks for posting. I've been reading way too many "If you are REALLY a progressive then you will..." posts on social media today. that was quite a tonic.


Count Machuki wrote:I should be clear and say that I was only admiring the writing and rhetoric of the last bit of the SoU speech...


sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was bitching at YOU. I came here all pissed off that "Unity" was the take away for so many people talking about the State of the Union Address. your post just seemed like a nice way to set up my gripe that was already ripe.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Snarfyguy wrote:I AM SO PROGRESSIVE THAT I AM ALREADY PREPARING MY 2020 PROTEST VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP

"Is it so much to ask for radical, sweeping, overnight change? I realize that several of the Democratic candidates are campaigning on free college and universal healthcare for all. But none of them are campaigning for free college and universal healthcare for all overnight. They’re suggesting strategies for working within the confines of Washington to produce gradual results over time. Um, sounds a little MODERATE to me, doesn’t it??"


Ha ha. Davey would love this. But how come the satirist left Tulsi Gabbard off his list of "disappointing" Democratic candidates? I'm not claiming sour grapes (Boo hoo, he didn't include my gal Tulsi.) but it does indicate to me how clueless the writer is, how tuned he is into the moderate wing of the left. At least he included Bernie but Tulsi is the hottest, most exciting, most talked about and likeliest candidate to beat Trump. (Or Bernie. Or a pairing of the two.) That is if the Democratic Party allows them to run. But they probably won't. So yeah, a moderate candidate will probably get the nod, probably Harris, but I think this time more progressives will vote for the moderate no matter what the writer thinks. If it was "our" fault HRC lost and not the fault of Comey, the "Russians" or HRC herself then we'll probably ultimately vote for whomever the Dems choose.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2019, 00:50

While there was the pee pee tape, the Trump Tower meeting, Wikileaks, etc., all "evidence" of Trump colluding with the Russians, there were also the openly known facts that Bill Clinton had received $500,000 for a speech in Russia and that the Uranium One deal was mid-wived by HRC, but these actual events were forgotten, ignored or dismissed by the MSM and HRC supporters under the onslaught of incriminating anti-Trump reporting. Well Hillary supporters, theyre baaaack. This article is in The Hill and all over the alternative news sites.

The case for Russia collusion … against the Democrats
By John Solomon — 02/10/19

... As secretary of State, Hillary Clinton worked with Russian leaders, including Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and then-President Dmitri Medvedev, to create U.S. technology partnerships with Moscow’s version of Silicon Valley, a sprawling high-tech campus known as Skolkovo.

Clinton’s handprint was everywhere on the 2009-2010 project, the tip of a diplomatic spear to reboot U.S.-Russian relations after years of hostility prompted by Vladimir Putin’s military action against the former Soviet republic and now U.S. ally Georgia. ... https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... -democrats
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2019, 01:12

Jimbo wrote: Bill Clinton had received $500,000 for a speech in Russia


Nothing illegal about that whatsoever.

and that the Uranium One deal was mid-wived by HRC


It wasn't.

Next!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2019, 01:44

toomanyhatz wrote:
Jimbo wrote: Bill Clinton had received $500,000 for a speech in Russia


Nothing illegal about that whatsoever.

and that the Uranium One deal was mid-wived by HRC


It wasn't.

Next!


There's that old Hillary supporter dismissal.

From Snopes - The mining company, Uranium One, was originally based in South Africa, but merged in 2007 with Canada-based UrAsia Energy. Shareholders there retained a controlling interest until 2010, when Russia’s nuclear agency, Rosatom, completed purchase of a 51% stake. Hillary Clinton played a part in the transaction insofar as it involved the transfer of ownership of a material deemed important to national security — uranium, amounting to one-fifth of U.S. reserves (a fraction re-estimated by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) at closer to one-tenth of the United States’ uranium production capacity in 2017) — thus requiring the approval of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), on which the U.S. Secretary of State sits.


While the more nefarious elements of the Uranium One deal are debunked by Snopes they don't deny HRC was involved and that security concerns were raised. If you read the article you see Bill's speech and Hillary's involvement in the uranium deal are all part of a package which makes Trump's Moscow tower project look like a small change.

And to dismiss Bill's speech as a nothing burger and not some kind of a bribe is willful blindness. Half a mil for a speech when the Russians are looking for help to build their own Silicon Valley? I don't think so.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2019, 01:55

Jimbo wrote:mid-wived by HRC


HRC was involved


Once again - not my fault if you don't understand the difference.

to dismiss Bill's speech as a nothing burger


I did no such thing. I said it wasn't illegal. Which continues to be true.
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And all of the sudden you accept Snopes as a source?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Jimbo wrote:While there was the pee pee tape, the Trump Tower meeting, Wikileaks, etc., all "evidence" of Trump colluding with the Russians, there were also the openly known facts that Bill Clinton had received $500,000 for a speech in Russia and that the Uranium One deal was mid-wived by HRC, but these actual events were forgotten, ignored or dismissed by the MSM and HRC supporters under the onslaught of incriminating anti-Trump reporting. Well Hillary supporters, theyre baaaack. This article is in The Hill and all over the alternative news sites.

The case for Russia collusion … against the Democrats
By John Solomon — 02/10/19

... As secretary of State, Hillary Clinton worked with Russian leaders, including Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and then-President Dmitri Medvedev, to create U.S. technology partnerships with Moscow’s version of Silicon Valley, a sprawling high-tech campus known as Skolkovo.

Clinton’s handprint was everywhere on the 2009-2010 project, the tip of a diplomatic spear to reboot U.S.-Russian relations after years of hostility prompted by Vladimir Putin’s military action against the former Soviet republic and now U.S. ally Georgia. ... https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... -democrats

How is running a "risk [of] espionage" equivalent to being the subject of federal criminal investigations?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Hilarious!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 14 Feb 2019, 04:44

BOMBSHELL!

NBC News

Senate has uncovered no direct evidence of conspiracy between Trump campaign and Russia

"We were never going to find a contract signed in blood saying, 'Hey Vlad, we're going to collude,'" one Democratic aide said.

Feb. 13, 2019, 12:21 AM GMT+9
By Ken Dilanian

WASHINGTON — After two years and 200 interviews, the Senate Intelligence Committee is approaching the end of its investigation into the 2016 election, having uncovered no direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, according to both Democrats and Republicans on the committee....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... gn-n970536

Russiagate created a lot of damage.
The alleged Russian influence campaign that never happened was used to install censorship on social media. It was used to undermine the election of progressive Democrats. The weapon salesmen used it to push for more NATO aggression against Russia. Maria Butina, an innocent Russian woman interested in good relation with the United States, was held in solitary confinement (recommended) until she signed a paper which claims that she was involved in a conspiracy.


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When did Bad Lip Reading change their tack and just show the action as it actually happened? :evil:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 14 Feb 2019, 14:04

Jimbo wrote:BOMBSHELL!

:roll:

When you read that a Congressional committee hasn't yet found "direct evidence" of something, understand that *all they're saying from an evidentiary standpoint* is that no one has *confessed* yet nor has any *explicit contract* been found—neither of which things anyone expected.

Any attorney—rather than a journalist pretending to know what the legal terms they're using mean—will tell you that substantial evidence of collusion has been found and the only question is what the standard of proof is to be set at and if you think that standard has been met.

When GOP Senate Intel chair Richard Burr was asked that question, he said Americans would have to read the report the Senate eventually creates—likely a long time from now—and will then have to decide for themselves whether it's collusion.* That's what he actually said to CBS.

What journalists like @KenDilanianNBC did—instead of explaining how evidence works, and what Burr's words meant—was take a quote in which Burr was saying there'd been no confession or explicit contracts found yet, even though that's *self-evident, predictable, and irrelevant*.

If you or I were in Ken's shoes—and we were writing about the most important story of our times—and we were using legal terms we didn't understand, we'd make sure we explained to readers *exactly what we were saying and what we weren't*. Unfortunately, that's not media today.

No attorney with criminal law experience came into the Trump-Russia probe believing one of the conspirators would confess to Congress or that an explicit contract would be found. That absurd standard was set by non-attorney Trump supporters and was then *adopted by the media*.

There may be confessions in the Russia probe before it's over, but they will come *via Mueller's charges/deals*, not Congress—and no explicit contract for a conspiracy like this would ever be created, let alone found. We knew all this two years ago. The media pretended not to.


* That's actually pretty mind-blowing, akin to telling people to make their own medical diagnoses.

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