President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 22 Jan 2019, 16:38

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And the sexy model seen on the oligarch's yacht video and arrested upon returning to Russia after spending some jail time in Thailand as featured on Rachael's show - she was released.

Model who said she had dirt on Russian oligarch walks free

https://www.newstimes.com/news/world/ar ... 551563.php


Released pending trial (or "accidental" death).



Huh? According to my link she was re-arrested because "She and her Russian associate were charged in Russia with inducement to prostitution."

My point is you probably watch Rachael Maddow and listen to Stephen Colbert's Russia baiting/Trump hating monologues and I can't explain what is going on in their heads except they like the millions they receive, I don't know, but if they are not outright lying they are certainly lying by omission, leaving out facts and opinions that contradict the obnoxious Russia meddling narrative. They must know there is a believable counter narrative which is what I keep on posting here to try and break the spell you seem to be under. Yeah it's nuts that stars like Colbert and Maddow can go out on big time TV and talk shit, dangerous shit IMO, but that is what is happening. The TV is lying to you. Almost everything we charge Russia of doing, jailing/killing journalists, overthrowing governments, meddling in elections, billionaires renamed "oligarchs" all somehow "connected" to Putin. That's the US, man! MLK called the US the “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world." You think things have changed since then? Sometimes you think they have like when Obama came along but he was not much better when it came to war than W or Trump. Turn off Maddow and Colbert. They're the squares,man. Time to dig the cool news and turn on the alternatives. And i don't mean Amy Goodman. :roll:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Still Baron » 22 Jan 2019, 16:50

Here’s something I hadn’t thought of! The House could impeach but the Senate could decline to hold a trial. Innarestin.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-senate- ... hment-case
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 22 Jan 2019, 17:02

Holy shit, Jimbo's right! Why should I trust what I see with my own eyes and ears happening in the country where I live when I can trust some dude with an internet connection! I've seen the light!

At last, I'm free from the shackles of consensus reality!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 22 Jan 2019, 17:14

Still Baron wrote:Here’s something I hadn’t thought of! The House could impeach but the Senate could decline to hold a trial. Innarestin.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-senate- ... hment-case


the House has yet to even initiate an impeachment inquiry.


Like they'd ever. Waiting for the Mueller Report is probably their excuse for not even starting. I recalled there was talk of impeaching GW Bush. I also recall Pelosi saying it was "off the table" but I didn't know any details. But here is an interesting Wiki about "Efforts to impeach George W. Bush."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_t ... ge_W._Bush

On May 10, 2006, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) indicated she was not interested in pursuing impeachment and had taken it "off the table", reiterating this phrase on November 8, 2006 after the election.[9][10] In July 2007, Pelosi stated that she "would probably advocate" impeaching Bush if she were not in the House nor Speaker of the House.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 22 Jan 2019, 17:15

Count Machuki wrote:Holy shit, Jimbo's right! Why should I trust what I see with my own eyes and ears happening in the country where I live when I can trust some dude with an internet connection! I've seen the light!

At last, I'm free from the shackles of consensus reality!


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Charlie O. » 23 Jan 2019, 04:03

Jimbo wrote:Waiting for the Mueller Report is probably their excuse for not even starting.

If you don't like that excuse, how about this one: there's no point in starting impeachment proceedings if they know they don't (yet) have enough support for it in the Senate.

If you don't like that one, I've got more.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 23 Jan 2019, 04:24

Charlie O. wrote:
Jimbo wrote:Waiting for the Mueller Report is probably their excuse for not even starting.

If you don't like that excuse, how about this one: there's no point in starting impeachment proceedings if they know they don't (yet) have enough support for it in the Senate.

If you don't like that one, I've got more.


If by now the Dems can't come up with anything beyond Trump colluding with Russia to win the election, i.e., treason - and Mueller needs to prove that (unlikely) - when even I will admit Trump is clearly a horror, a narcissistic congenital/pathological liar, clearly mentally unfit for the job, a perfect candidate for invoking the 25th Amendment, then I'd say Pelosi is not setting the table but is looking at another clean table. And I'd guess if the Dems made a good case for his craziness the Republicans would go along and convict for who is his replacement but Pence, a more perfect Republican.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Charlie O. » 23 Jan 2019, 05:12

Batshitcrazy though it may be, I think the Republicans are still hoping that Trump will win re-election next year. (And I'm not saying that he doesn't have a chance. We should never underestimate the Dems' ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.)

And I don't think Pence is really anybody's idea of a more perfect anything.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Still Baron » 23 Jan 2019, 12:25

Jimbo wrote:
Charlie O. wrote:
Jimbo wrote:Waiting for the Mueller Report is probably their excuse for not even starting.

If you don't like that excuse, how about this one: there's no point in starting impeachment proceedings if they know they don't (yet) have enough support for it in the Senate.

If you don't like that one, I've got more.


If by now the Dems can't come up with anything beyond Trump colluding with Russia to win the election, i.e., treason - and Mueller needs to prove that (unlikely) - when even I will admit Trump is clearly a horror, a narcissistic congenital/pathological liar, clearly mentally unfit for the job, a perfect candidate for invoking the 25th Amendment, then I'd say Pelosi is not setting the table but is looking at another clean table. And I'd guess if the Dems made a good case for his craziness the Republicans would go along and convict for who is his replacement but Pence, a more perfect Republican.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 23 Jan 2019, 16:36

Pence is as knee deep in our Russian Unicorn Dust as anybody.
I think it's real important how the Dems deal with the shutdown. It looks like McConnell is cracking. this could really be the thing that finally sticks to those clowns.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 23 Jan 2019, 17:34

Pence is also not a personality that tyrants will cling to. The repub's secret is that Trump is.

They want him in power for as long as possible. And they will fight dirty. They've proved it time and again.

The reason Pence would actually be an improvement is also the reason why it won't happen.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 24 Jan 2019, 07:17

Top Ten MSM Trump-Russia Bombshells, er, duds.

10. RT Hacked Into and Took Over C-SPAN (Fortune)

9. Russian Hackers Invaded the U.S. Electricity Grid to Deny Vermonters Heat During the Winter (WashPost)

8. Anonymous Group Declares Mainstream Political Sites on the Left and Right to be Russian Propaganda Outlets and WashPost Touts its Report to Claim Massive Kremlin Infiltration of the Internet (WashPost)

7. Trump Aide Anthony Scaramucci is Involved in a Russian Hedge Fund Under Senate Investigation (CNN)

6. Russia Attacked U.S. “Diplomats” (i.e. Spies) at the Cuban Embassy Using a Super-Sophisticated Sonic Microwave Weapon (NBC/MSNBC/CIA)

5. Trump Created a Secret Internet Server to Covertly Communicate with a Russian Bank (Slate)

4. Paul Manafort Visited Julian Assange Three Times in the Ecuadorian Embassy and Nobody Noticed (Guardian/Luke Harding)

2. Robert Mueller Possesses Internal Emails and Witness Interviews Proving Trump Directed Cohen to Lie to Congress (BuzzFeed)

1. Donald Trump Jr. Was Offered Advanced Access to the WikiLeaks Email Archive (CNN/MSNBC)

https://21stcenturywire.com/2019/01/22/ ... ropaganda/
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby caramba » 24 Jan 2019, 08:22

Halfway through Orangey's presidency. Only two more years to go - less when you consider the fact that the bits of 2020 he doesn't spend on the golf course will be taken up on the campaign trail

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 24 Jan 2019, 15:53

caramba wrote:Halfway through Orangey's presidency. Only two more years to go - less when you consider the fact that the bits of 2020 he doesn't spend on the golf course will be taken up on the campaign trail


Unfortunately it looks like Donald's taking us to another war. This time it's in Venezuela.



US Backs Coup in Oil-Rich Venezuela, Right-Wing Opposition Plans Mass Privatization and Hyper-Capitalism

...One of the only elected officials in the US who has spoken out against the coup is left-wing California Congressman Ro Khanna. Other progressive and anti-Trump US politicians, including self-declared “democratic socialists,” have remained silent on Trump’s effective declaration of a coup in Latin America.

https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/23/ ... #more-1679
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 24 Jan 2019, 16:43

I'm no fan of Maduro (there are SO many Venezuelans here in Atlanta right now, it's crazy - they've got horror stories) but backing an unelected leader that resulted from a coup feels mighty funny, for sure.

That said, war in Venezuela strikes me as really, really unlikely.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 24 Jan 2019, 18:36

I hope you're right. Maduro didn't have his military guy with him when he made that speech.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 25 Jan 2019, 12:26

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 25 Jan 2019, 14:38

Speculation: Steve Bannon has been a cooperating witness in Mueller's investigation.

He's the only one of that crew smart enough to do it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 25 Jan 2019, 15:47

well, it certainly looks like he sang like a canary to the guy that wrote that "Fire & Fury" book. If I remember correctly his "resignation" came hot on the heels of that.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 25 Jan 2019, 16:46

Yep.

Oh look, commercial aviation appears to have reached its tipping point in terms of functionality in the shut down. Planes are grounded in NYC, Philly and Florida.

Finally Trump's doing something about curbing emissions! : D
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