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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 10 Sep 2018, 01:12
by Snarfyguy
Sneelock wrote:I see it way different than you. Donald J. TRUMP , Arnold and even Reagan were coaxed into political careers by the “gee whiz” coverage they got. People who disagree with the politics of people like Paul Robeson, Harry Belafonte, even Colin Kaepernick always have a prime platform to tell them to shut up and get back to work.

#Sneelock2020

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 10 Sep 2018, 01:13
by Copehead
yomptepi wrote:
Sneelock wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
And when you think about it, half the reason we are all having to put up with that orange fuck is because he was on the telly. even though he was the " expert " in a stupid game show, people somehow started to believe that he was really this amazing businessman. Despite the reality being completely different. The stupid half wits who watch this sort of shit thought " Hey, he looks like he could do a better job than Obama" and put him in the White House. And suddenly we expected to have the fucking Rock standing 2024. Or perhaps Bill Murray , who I am assured is very smart, will stand. Get a fucking grip people. They are entertainers. Honestly, I despair. We are all fucked.


I see it way different than you. Donald J. TRUMP , Arnold and even Reagan were coaxed into political careers by the “gee whiz” coverage they got. People who disagree with the politics of people like Paul Robeson, Harry Belofonte, even Colin Kaepernick always have a platform to tell them to shut up and get back to work.


I don't care. I am not interested in what any entertainer has to say. They can all fuck off. What is wrong with Americans that would vote for fucking film star. It is irrational.


I'd vote for Judi Dench, despite her fuckwit son, surely it is wha the the (former) entertainer says rather than the fact that they used to be an actor which is important.

It is like saying I'd never vote for a an accountant or Hedge fund manager, although I wouldn't.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 10 Sep 2018, 01:16
by yomptepi
Copehead wrote:
I'd vote for Judi Dench, despite her fuckwit son, swhich is important.

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Hardly surprising given that you voted for Blair 3 times...

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 10 Sep 2018, 01:26
by Copehead
yomptepi wrote:
Copehead wrote:
I'd vote for Judi Dench, despite her fuckwit son, swhich is important.

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Hardly surprising given that you voted for Blair 3 times...


I voted for Patrick Hall actually, a bit more left of centre than Blair.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 02:22
by Count Machuki
Just caught another glimpse of Carter Page's hat on the news.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 02:25
by Jimbo
Count Machuki wrote:Just caught another glimpse of Carter Page's hat on the news.


Such biting satire. :roll:

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 15:43
by Snarfyguy
Carter Page's hat is a welcome respite from shit like this:

The President of the United States on his way to attend the 9/11 Flight 93 memorial service:

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I despair.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 15:55
by Count Machuki
Jimbo wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:Just caught another glimpse of Carter Page's hat on the news.


Such biting satire. :roll:


I was going for childish mockery, but I guess your definition of satire may vary.

Look at that goof! Who wears a hat like that when they're going to court?!

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 16:40
by Sneelock
I'm counting on biting satire and childish mockery to carry me through this fucking thing.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 16:53
by Count Machuki
Sneelock wrote:I'm counting on biting satire and childish mockery to carry me through this fucking thing.


Hang in there, Snee

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 17:44
by Sneelock
I think maybe that’s a good look for me.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 11 Sep 2018, 23:07
by sloopjohnc
Robert Reich, who teaches at UC Berkeley, writes a weekly column in the opinion section of the local paper. His recent article on income disparity scared the crap out of me: https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/rei ... 204777.php

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 12 Sep 2018, 03:20
by Jimbo


Run, Tulsi, run!

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 12 Sep 2018, 10:52
by Copehead
Well done Ireland!

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 13 Sep 2018, 16:56
by PENK

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 13 Sep 2018, 16:58
by Wally Bingbang
I know, eh? All those guns and crazy people and not one single person has made an attempt!

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 13 Sep 2018, 18:02
by Snarfyguy
I'm just going to paste in the piece from NY Mag; it has some important stuff that's not in the Guardian article.

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Earlier this week, Donald Trump declared his administration’s response to Hurricane Maria an “incredible, unsung success.”

This took aback many reporters and pundits. After all, that storm’s official death toll sits at nearly 3,000. And the the federal government’s relief effort was riddled with demonstrable failures: Despite receiving advance warning of the hurricane’s likely landfall in Puerto Rico, the administration neglected to deploy satellite phones, generators, and reserves of food, fuel, and water in advance of the storm. President Trump took a four-day golf vacation in its immediate aftermath. FEMA proceeded award a $156 million contract to a company that promised to provide 30 million meals to Puerto Rico; only 50,000 were ever delivered. While Puerto Ricans were still dying as a result of the hurricane — due to shortages of electricity and medical care — Trump informed the island’s inhabitants that they should be grateful that his efforts had spared them from suffering a “real catastrophe like Katrina.”

But on Thursday, Trump clarified his rationale for considering the hurricane response a triumph of disaster management: Hurricane Maria killed (at most) 18 Puerto Ricans — all those other deaths were fabricated by the Democratic Party to make Donald Trump look bad.

“3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico,” the president tweeted. “When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000.”

“This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico” Trump continued. “If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!”

This is not accurate. But Trump’s confusion is understandable — or rather, it would be understandable if he were some random American retiree and not the president of the United States. It is true that Hurricane Maria’s official death toll sat in the double digits for nearly a year after the storm. And it is also true that 3,000 U.S. citizens did not die “in” the hurricane — in the sense of being killed by storm surge or high winds. But that isn’t how anyone measures a hurricane’s death toll (including Donald Trump, who, during his visit to Puerto Rico, cited a death toll from Katrina that included those killed by the conditions that storm left in its wake).

Under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s guidelines, a hurricane’s death toll comprises not only the number of lives lost to the storm’s immediate impact (as a result of flooding, flying debris, etc.), but also those lost as a result of shortages in material goods and medical services induced by the natural disaster. And, for weeks after Hurricane Maria, most of Puerto Rico lacked electricity, including its hospitals. Respirators stopped running. Dialysis clinics operated on generators and for limited hours. Medical supplies were scarce. Meanwhile large stretches of the territory had only limited access to food and potable water. Temperatures were high. Puerto Rico’s population is disproportionately elderly, and its elderly population is disproportionately impoverished.

By the time Trump visited Puerto Rico last year, it was already obvious that these conditions had killed far more Americans than official statistics accounted for. The government’s initial, official death toll was a product of bureaucratic red tape, not scientific research: Puerto Rican law stipulated that the Forensic Science Institute in San Juan had to confirm each disaster-related death, which required transporting bodies to San Juan or dispatching medical examiners to inspect dead bodies in rural municipalities. For this reason, no one seriously concerned by the question how many people had lost their lives to Maria looked to the initial government estimate for guidance.

The task of identifying those killed by the storm’s indirect effects is inherently difficult (like their fellow-citizens in the mainland United States, plenty of Puerto Ricans were suffering preventable deaths due to insufficient access to medical care long before Maria made landfall). But subsequent studies — including one commissioned by the Puerto Rican government, itself — have produced an estimated death toll of between 2,975 and 4,581.

The president’s tweets are monstrous in moral terms, evincing his (characteristic) disregard for the suffering of other human beings, and (equally characteristic) obsession with protecting his ego by any means necessary. But Trump’s remarks are also disastrous in political terms: The American media had done the president a great service by allowing Puerto Rico’s catastrophe to get lost in the news cycle’s ever-accelerating churn. Now, Trump has invited every newsroom in America to scrutinize exactly how many U.S. citizens his administration failed to save last year.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... 3-000.html

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 13 Sep 2018, 22:04
by bobzilla77
As the Atlantic put it, the denialism of the death toll should surprise no one, because denialism is what led to the death toll getting so high in the first place. His warped reality is niw officially killing people.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 13 Sep 2018, 22:28
by Sneelock
The worst part, for me, is the “true believers”. I’m around people who believe anything this guy says. They are willing to only count 6 or 18 of those thousands of people. They are willing to overlook children in fucking cages and get ALL angry & superior with anyone who tries to engage them on these issues.HE is getting meaner and THEY are getting meaner. It’s hard not to get pretty depressed about the whole thing.

Re: President Donald J. Trump

Posted: 14 Sep 2018, 15:31
by LeBaron
Word is that Manafort is pleading to an unusually long and detailed information (like an indictment), which should have lots of information and many documents attached as exhibits. Should be innarestin.