President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 06 Sep 2018, 23:31

I hope that means there's a "bloody hammer" about to hit the airwaves.
I mean, the op-ed says the policies are great but the President is "amoral"
sounds to me like somebody is battening down the hatches.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 07 Sep 2018, 05:11

The revelations in the NYT op-ed don't actually tell us anything we didn't already know. Essentially, the "cabal" is out to protect none other than Donald Trump (if only from himself) in order to further the right's agenda, i.e. tax cuts for the wealthy, decimation of public schools, etc. If anything, they've been doing him favor by preventing him from blowing up his presidency via his own ineptitude and he should rightfully be thankful to them.

The fact that they're his witting abettors in the service of their own ends is more disgraceful than courageous, and providing the cult with an admission of a virtual "shadow government" that routinely undermines the president's authority is a profound mis-step.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 07 Sep 2018, 05:23

He sure went from “it’s all fake” to demanding to know who it was in record time.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 07 Sep 2018, 06:18

Snarfyguy wrote: The fact that they're his witting abettors...


They're not. There is no "they're" there. The most likely writer of the NYT piece is the NYT itself, with encouragement from the deep state which has been trying to take down Trump, especially thwart his peaceful moves towards Russia, from the start.

I Know Who the “Senior Official” Is Who Wrote the NY Times Op-Ed

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The fake op-ed serves to validate from within the Trump administration the false reporting by the New York Times that serves the interests of the military/security complex to hold on to enemies with whom Trump prefers to make peace. For example, the alleged “senior official” misrepresents, as does the New York Times, President Trump’s efforts to reduce dangerous tensions with North Korea and Russia as President Trump’s “preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un” over America’s “allied, like-minded nations.” This is the same non-sequitur that the New York Times has expressed endlessly. Why is resolving dangerous tensions a “preference for dictators” and not a preference for peace? The New York Times has never explained, and neither does the “senior official.” ...

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/0 ... mes-op-ed/


Cautlin disagrees, sort of.

I believe that a senior Trump administration official probably did write that anonymous op-ed. I do not believe that they were moved to write it out of compassion for the poor Americans who are feeling emotionally stressed about the president. I believe it was written and published for the same reason many other things are written and published in mainstream media: because we are all being played.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 07 Sep 2018, 06:30

I say Glenn Greenwald wrote it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 07 Sep 2018, 07:05

Jimbo wrote:The most likely writer of the NYT piece is the NYT itself, with encouragement from the deep state which has been trying to take down Trump, especially thwart his peaceful moves towards Russia, from the start.


WTF do his “peaceful moves towards Russia” mean when we are dealing with shit like this?
http://tass.com/world/1020372

Reveal the list of targets, which, as was reported, the Pentagon has chosen for a possible airstrike by the three nations," ..."If you believe that those locations are related to the storage of chemical weapons, then show some respect to the international law and forward this information to the OPCW [Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons - TASS]."




“The Deep State”is out to get TRUMP because he wants to be pals with Russia who doesn’t seem to give a flying fuck about being pals with us. :lol: What a gigantic crock of shit.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 07 Sep 2018, 07:28

Sneelock wrote:
Jimbo wrote:The most likely writer of the NYT piece is the NYT itself, with encouragement from the deep state which has been trying to take down Trump, especially thwart his peaceful moves towards Russia, from the start.


WTF do his “peaceful moves towards Russia” mean when we are dealing with shit like this?
http://tass.com/world/1020372

“The Deep State”is out to get TRUMP because he wants to be pals with Russia who doesn’t seem to give a flying fuck about being pals with us. :lol: What a gigantic crock of shit.


What are you talking about? If you are saying how can Trump want peace with Russia when he is acting as belligerently as Obama in Syria then yes, there is an odd dichotomy between his rhetoric and his actions.

But regarding the issue of the article it goes back some weeks when Russia got information that the US and its terrorist allies were planning another false flag gas attack in Idlib, the last holdout of the terrorists. A gas attack would occur (again) and be blamed on Assad (again) which would trigger the western forces to come down hard and save the day for the terrorists. I fail to see what your beef is with the Russians in this article. The Americans are saying they know where the Syrians are storing their chemical weapons and will bomb the sites and the Russians, who deny there is a Syrian chemical weapons stash, want some evidence of this charge. And note how the Russians are using diplomacy while we have kooky Nicky Haley, with whom you seem to agree.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 07 Sep 2018, 07:34

My point is that things are NOT getting any less tense with Russia. In many ways they are getting worse. The idea that the bad old guard wants to screw Russia while TRUMP is the Prince of Peace with Russia gets progressively more absurd. I’d say Russia’s respect for the TRUMP admin is pretty much non-existent at this point.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 07 Sep 2018, 07:42

Sneelock wrote:My point is that things are NOT getting any less tense with Russia. In many ways they are getting worse. The idea that the bad old guard wants to screw Russia while TRUMP is the Prince of Peace with Russia gets progressively more absurd. I’d say Russia’s respect for the TRUMP admin is pretty much non-existent at this point.


I agree. Shit is ramping up in Syria and the showdown is at hand. Trump's odd war/peace relationship with Russia aside, the best solution is for the US to back off and let Russia and Syria handle the terrorists and let Syria be Syria.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Diamond Dog » 07 Sep 2018, 10:57

Anyhoo.....

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Earl E. Eel » 07 Sep 2018, 12:59

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 08 Sep 2018, 11:22

Welp, according to Caitlin it seems like Trump - like Obama and like Bush before him ( and on and on down the line) - lied about our foreign policy and now it looks like the US is in Syria to stay. According to the WAPO

“We’ve started using new language,” (the State Department's) Jeffrey said, referring to previous warnings against the use of chemical weapons. Now, he said, the United States will not tolerate “an attack. Period.”

“Any offensive is to us objectionable as a reckless escalation” he said. “You add to that, if you use chemical weapons, or create refu­gee flows or attack innocent civilians,” and “the consequences of that are that we will shift our positions and use all of our tools to make it clear that we’ll have to find ways to achieve our goals that are less reliant on the goodwill of the Russians.”


(Caitlin)
So we’ve got Trump administration officials saying that the extremist factions which were armed and supported by the US and its allies during the Obama administration are completely off limits, and that the military occupation of Syria will continue until Syria’s Middle Eastern allies leave the country and the Syrian government begins acting as America commands.


But leave it to Caitlin to be much more than a Cassandra with only bad news. Read the article and see that she has a way for us to get out of this morass. Do read her work. It is inspirational.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 08 Sep 2018, 19:55

:roll: Caitlin.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Jim Carrey on Bill Maher where he makes justifiable fun of Trump but what got my goat in the clip was (at 12:10) when Maher defers to Obama campaign manager David Axelrod and Axelrod shits on new Democratic primary winners who campaigned on "Medicare for all, ending student debt, a different approach to the war on terror, ending mass incarceration". I use quotes because note how mealy-mouthed Axelrod can't even say these words back and then poo-poos them as local issues. I had to give my computer the finger.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 Sep 2018, 05:24

No...he doesn’t dismiss them as local issues. He dismisses the notion that Stacey Abrams, Ayanna Pressley, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and Kerri Evelyn Harris (Maher doesn’t even get her name right) are the party’s true north...and he is right.

He counters with Conor Lamb (and could have added Doug Jones) as an example of a Democrat winning a general election in a red-leaning district/state.

The words “those candidates reflected their districts well” may piss you off. But it is the truth.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 09 Sep 2018, 09:00

SYRIA 180: US Regime Change Plan is Back (It Never Left)

September 7, 2018

21st Century Wire says…

In a new report released on Thursday, President Trump ‘does a 180’ on his previous policy against pursuing regime change in Syria – now agreeing to “a new strategy for an indefinitely extended military, diplomatic and economic effort there, according to senior State Department officials.”


https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/09/07/ ... ever-left/

Many think 9/11 was the result of "blowback" especially for stationing US troops in Saudi Arabia. Of course I think the US did it to themselves but for the sake of the CIA's "plausible deniability" blowback is a pretty good excuse. Assuming the terror attacks we've endured since 9/11 were because of blowback, how is it we've never learned it isn't a good idea to do what we do? Maybe it's always bullshit we're fed by the media and politicians and the US has been and still is the rogue nation we're always warned about. Projection. It's like we're living in a false flag reality and constantly blaming the other guys for what we are doing ourselves.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby yomptepi » 09 Sep 2018, 10:23

Jimbo wrote:

Jim Carrey on Bill Maher where he makes justifiable fun of Trump but what got my goat in the clip was (at 12:10) when Maher defers to Obama campaign manager David Axelrod and Axelrod shits on new Democratic primary winners who campaigned on "Medicare for all, ending student debt, a different approach to the war on terror, ending mass incarceration". I use quotes because note how mealy-mouthed Axelrod can't even say these words back and then poo-poos them as local issues. I had to give my computer the finger.


Why does anyone give a shit what some fucking actor has to say about politics. I just don't get. Here in the UK it feels like the only ones with opinions that count are comedians. Utter cunts like Frankie Boyle, handing out pearls of their stupidity as it it were diamonds. Why does anyone care what they think?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Earl E. Eel » 09 Sep 2018, 10:54

Infotainment or some stupid shit. Maybe it's more digestible. I dunno. I don't get it either.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 09 Sep 2018, 11:01

yomptepi wrote: Why does anyone give a shit what some fucking actor has to say about politics. I just don't get. Here in the UK it feels like the only ones with opinions that count are comedians. Utter cunts like Frankie Boyle, handing out pearls of their stupidity as it it were diamonds. Why does anyone care what they think?


I like hearing the opinions of smart people in general and Carrey happens to be very smart, and he's funny, plus he's been actively drawing and publishing political cartoons in the anti-Trump campaign and that makes him a pundit, whose opinions it seems you respect. As for hearing actors' and comedians' opinions, if they're smart, why not have a listen? I read your opinions and you're just a builder, but you're smart. (And you're mostly wrong. ;) )
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 Sep 2018, 15:58

Basically, Jimbo’s interested in anyone other than trained journalists.
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