President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 31 Aug 2018, 02:30

LeBaron wrote: Well, YOU would probably suspect it.


What I suspect (based upon reading things outside your echo chamber) is that it's all made up, a crock. It is the same fake scandal as the Corbyn is a Jew hater thing. Talk about a good lap dog, the Brit is a fine and compliant breed.

I did read something that said in light of how Mueller is going after Manafort and Cohen rather than at Russia is because "Russia" was a way, a wedge into the financial and criminal misdoings of Trump. Do you buy that?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 31 Aug 2018, 04:08

So, no jigsaw puzzles then.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 31 Aug 2018, 05:29

Jimbo, you dumb motherfucker...

A few things...

1. The Russia issue isn’t about whether Russia “stole” the election. Very few people believe that. Even fewer believe that hacking of polling places happened (or if it did - that it was significant).

Now mind you, in an election decided by 77k votes split between three states - it IS possible that ANY interference MIGHT have decided the election. But most rational people will refrain from making that claim.

What seems irrefutable is that Russia attempted a campaign of influence on some level - and that social networking was a key element. Did it decide the election? I have no idea. But the election was close, so it isn’t crazy to wonder.

But the real issue has nothing to do with those questions. The real issue is whether our current President colluded with foreign actors. And even if he didn’t...the fact that he is now more concerned with preserving the image of his legitimacy than he is in protecting our system of elections going forward (which only makes him seem less legitimate).

As I’ve said to you before, you don’t blame a dog for barking - and I don’t blame your precious mother Russia for wanting to influence us. But it is HUGE problem that our President doesn’t want to make it harder in the future.

2. Whatever your intentions in this ongoing debate, I think it is important for you to know the effect you are having.

Simply said - I never worried about Russia’s campaign to influence us much. Had you never spoken up, I’d have figured that it was just a few troll farms monkeying around on Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter. But now that I see how deeply they’ve got their hooks into you and have spent more than a year reading all of the Russian-toadyism you immerse yourself in...you’ve convinced me that they’ve been at this project a very long time. I now see how deep it goes. I used to view people like Greenwald as standard-issue lefty absolutists. Now I see them as the useful idiots that they are. Thanks!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 31 Aug 2018, 10:08

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Jimbo, you dumb motherfucker... Simply said - I never worried about Russia’s campaign to influence us much.


:lol:

It's not about you, Davey, it's about the establishment, the media, the actual dangerous geopolitical policies and actions our country is enacting, i.e., sanctions and still trying to overthrow Assad, and all based upon the myth of Russia aiming to take over America. If you don't see Russia bashing going on on your TV or in your newspapers you are a better time manager than I. Talk about a professional liberal take Stephen Colbert ... please. And take Bill Maher along. They won't shut up about the "collusion." And yesterday Cynthia Nixon in her debate with Governor Cuomo makes this needless crack, ""You stood up to him (Trump) about as well as he stands up to Putin." Anti-Russia talk is everywhere, except from you, of course. If you are right and almost no one cares about Russia, why all the chatter?

If you want to oppose Trump rationally and do it "in-house," rather than using nuclear armed Russia as a cudgel how about using our very own mafia. Trump is provably in bed with them.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 31 Aug 2018, 19:31

So much breathless hyperbole.

Nobody believes that Russia is “trying to take America over.” But they want influence. Somebody there is CERTAINLY working overtime to influence you. But since your skepticism only works one direction - you are too dumb to realize it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 31 Aug 2018, 19:53

the establishment, the media, the actual dangerous geopolitical policies and actions our country is enacting, i.e., sanctions and still trying to overthrow Assad, and all based upon the myth of Russia aiming to take over America


Seriously? That's based on Russia aiming to take over America? So this is a new thing? And if we just stay out of Trump's way he'll solve everything?

Your ultimate idiocy is that you seem to really believe that HRC is the ideal foot soldier for these "geopolitical policies" and that Trump is somehow removed from them. I've got (not fake) news for you, pal - if HRC is guilty of perpetrating that shit, so's Trump - and we get the complete lack of decorum and class for good measure.

And seriously - does ANY of that date from the 90s - or does it start from well before any of the supposed evil geniuses were born?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 02 Sep 2018, 00:10

In the "articles that you think come from The Onion but are from The New York Times" file is this.

Kremlin Sources Go Quiet, Leaving C.I.A. in the Dark About Putin’s Plans for Midterms


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/p ... tions.html
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 02 Sep 2018, 01:42

If the Obama Whitehouse had tried to do this with Kagan he would NOT have gotten away with it,
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/01/poli ... index.html
The Trump administration will hold back more than 100,000 pages of documents related to Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's service because the White House and the Department of Justice have determined they are protected by constitutional privilege, according to a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The Repubs would have put up such a HOWL that every mainstream news show would have represented their point of view.

What astonishing horseshit.

Hopefully the Dems will attempt a little logic. Try nominating and fastracking someone with a public record we can regard while assessing them why don’t ya?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 04 Sep 2018, 13:13

Reality Winner, a real woman's name, was sentenced to five years in a federal pen for leaking a document to The Intercept. The Intercept featured the doc as hard evidence of Russian interference with the election. I was confused at the time because I thought that because Glenn Greenwald, co-founding editor, is a Russia-gate skeptic they'd debunk the doc. Plus I am used to my whistle blowers debunking the official story but Ms Winner seems to have confirmed it. Aaron Matte from the Real News is a skeptic and below he interviews James Risen, former national intelligence reporter for the NYT now at The Intercept. Risen came to the interview to talk about the harshness of Winner's sentence. Risen himself has taken a lot of heat in his career for exposing the mistakes of the intelligence community. When Bush was prez Risen was da man but now under Trump it seems like he's their bitch. Very interesting interview.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 04 Sep 2018, 16:31

Fox New Push Notification (thanks, Google, emphasis mine) wrote:Brett Kavanaugh hearing interrupted by Democratic senators, protests


How dare they?!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 04 Sep 2018, 17:18

Jimbo wrote:Reality Winner, a real woman's name, was sentenced to five years in a federal pen for leaking a document to The Intercept.


If Nixon or Reagan had been able to throw up "National Security" as a smokescreen the way every post 9/11 admin has - then watergate & iran contra never would have happened. it's cart fuckin' blanche is what it is.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 04 Sep 2018, 23:29

the internet today has quite the wind-up for Bob Woodward's book on the TRUMP White House. I'm sure all the mean and thoughtless things he's supposed to have said about the people he has appointed and Syria will get a lot of traction over the next few days.

For some reason Woodward released a phone call between him the President after the book had gone to galley. it's confounding. you get the sense that the guy you see winding up the crowds at his rallies is the way this guy normally acts. the phone call is full of all the same horseshit his speeches are (the "billions and billions" he is "saving NATO" for example).

anybody who is burning their Nikes won't care and Woodward has been known to coast on his laurels to put it mildly. still, the enthusiasm of people who once supported and worked for this guy to paint such a vivid picture of such an unpleasant fellow, while not surprising is troubling.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 05 Sep 2018, 22:03

Giuliani: “I don’t care about my legacy. I’ll be dead.”

Great. Real nice.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 06 Sep 2018, 06:08

Curve ball!

The TL;DR appears to be that Trump apologists are now going to have ammunition for the (admitted and thereby proven) theory that an internal White House cabal operated to thwart the president's intentions.

Hard to see the upside here.

Side note: the president doesn't appear to know the difference between an editorial and an op-ed piece, which just shows to go you.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 06 Sep 2018, 16:58

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p ... ork-times/

just posting for the last paragraph:

Yeah, his behavior in office has shocked the hell out of me, too. Who could've guessed that a raving know-nothing with a gold commode might turn out to be a tacky president*?

Enough of this stuff. Stand up in the light of day and tell your stories. All of them, right from the beginning. Admit that what you're confronting now is the end result of 40 years of conservative politics and all the government-is-the-problem malfeasance you've been imbibing since you were wingnuts in swaddling. The fire's licking at your ankles at last. Come out of the cupboards, you boys and girls. None of you are heroes.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 06 Sep 2018, 17:10

So who wrote the damn thing?

Lawrence O'Donnell made a pretty convincing case for Dan Coats last night. Coats has since denied it, if that means anything.

Some no-name? A bunch of people?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 06 Sep 2018, 17:32

^^^ Philip K. Dick moment: it turns out to be Sarah Huckabee Sanders!

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 06 Sep 2018, 17:49

Count Machuki wrote:So who wrote the damn thing?


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 06 Sep 2018, 17:54

:lol: that was my next guess.

I'll tell you, I know I'm pretty gullible but I find the "lodestar"/Pence theory pretty persuasive.
I mean, it's not a word everybody uses and there are people claiming to show he's used it quite a lot over the years.
Also, who has more to gain? the editorial is a pretty weaselly thing in a lot of ways. He's doing great work but he's just so darned unpredictable.

If TRUMP is really getting ready to flame out then Pence is in the catbird seat. TRUMP voters could change horses without batting an eye and a lot of people who consider TRUMP extreme might go along as well. who on God's green earth has kissed TRUMP's ass more than Pence?
of course he denies it's him. wouldn't you?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 06 Sep 2018, 18:36

Pence has got a lot to lose, though, and I'm not sure he's got the balls to pull this kind of thing. Can a President up and fire a VP? I don't think they can, can they?

What if it's Stephen Miller in an elaborate false flag double-back turnaround pincers move?!

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