President Donald J. Trump

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 01 Aug 2018, 16:21

I don't see how Manafort has a chance. Shouldn't his lawyers advise him to fold? What's his game here?

Blaming the whole thing on Gates seems preposterous in light of the evidence the prosecution has. Gates didn't make Manafort fail to report income to the IRS.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 01 Aug 2018, 16:43

I think Trump is getting little birds to whisper in his ear to sit tight -- that this will all blow over.
you know what? it might.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics ... index.html
"This is a terrible situation and Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now, before it continues to stain our country any further. Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!" the President tweeted


well, hell. who wants those angry democrats' rigged witch hunt to stain our country? those things are hard to get out!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 01 Aug 2018, 16:52

Snarfyguy wrote:What's his game here?


I think it's called Don't Get Novichok'd*



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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 01 Aug 2018, 16:55

Either he's gambling that Trump will save him (LOL) or he's falling on his sword to protect people (oligarchs) who'd destroy him and his family if he talked.

It's like it's from some outlandish espionage novel.

Meanwhile, Trump can tweet all the obstruction he wants. He's never going to see the inside of a courtroom for that or "collusion" as long he's president - and maybe he'll find a way to never stop being president!

At this point he might as well just cop to it; I'm sure his supporters would be into it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 01 Aug 2018, 17:00

I think he is counting on TRUMP's strategy to pay off. TRUMP's strategy? he is a refusenik. me good. you bad. no respect you authority - you bad democrat. me mighty president. face it, look at the polls. this shit is working. more people describe it as "a witch hunt" than ever. Trump is good and those who oppose him are bad. this is the President's strategy IMO and Manafort is sitting tight. why waste a pardon if he never needs one?
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Postby LeBaron » 01 Aug 2018, 17:25

Snarfyguy wrote:Either he's gambling that Trump will save him (LOL) or he's falling on his sword to protect people (oligarchs) who'd destroy him and his family if he talked


I suspect he’s betting on a pardon as a reward for not flipping and fighting The Man. With that said, I haven’t really looked at the indictments. I’m sure they’ll be targeting his former partner as an unreliable snitch out to save his own skin, but I don’t know how much of the prosecution’s case he’s meant to carry.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 01 Aug 2018, 17:40

I think Manafort might be the reason President Trump is putting his foot down to stop the investigation NOW.
they are following the money and it's a fair bet that Manafort's money & Trump's get tangled up at some point.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 01 Aug 2018, 17:59

*rolls up popcorn machine*

Even if he fired Mueller and Rosenstein and everyone else, he still can't stop a federal criminal trial in progress.

Meanwhile, we'll have to wait for Jimbo to tell us about this awesome new conspiracy cult: QAnon. Just when you thought politics couldn't get any stupider - it's been called Pizzagate on bath salts and the core narratives resemble extremely demented/paranoid fan fiction.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90212200/qa ... umps-rally
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Postby bobzilla77 » 01 Aug 2018, 21:37

I remember first reading about Q months ago. I remember thinking, "it's completely bonkers but it is so appealing to what those people want to believe."

It's only a matter of time before Trump himself starts giving those people reason to believe, innit? Something along the line of "very fine people are trying to defend the truth. Don't believe the lying media. If you wanna shoot pool, you gotta keep your eye on the Q ball."
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 01 Aug 2018, 23:18

those people slid off the popsicle stick a LONG time ago. they'll believe anything somebody pins to the front of their shirt.

Obama hadn't been in office a year when my (then) State Rep had one of his "town hall" meetings. he did this several times a year but this time was a first. instead of the hall being filled with wonks and activists and people with nothing else to do it was standing room only with burly biker looking FOX News aficionados. the poor guy was aghast and completely unprepared for the great screaming wall of anger that met him this day.

He came, as he always did, to discuss pending legislation and community concerns. what he got this day was unguarded contempt. "what about the New black Panthers?????" "What About Acorn????" people wanted to know why a Muslim was in the White House and what he was doing to stop this.

I bring this up because it's my opinion that none of these things were conclusions reached by thinking people. they were the ravings of a mob. this is normal now. now that it's normal, the "opinions" get further and further out, less supported by reason and more firmly held, more expressed in anger than ever before.

soon Pizzagate will seem as quaint as Acorn outrage does now. the bottom line is that Acorn is gone. all it took was a bunch of people banging on tables and all the good work that org. did means NOTHING. Planned Parenthood is looking down the barrel of the same fate. people who get mad easy and like to yell and bang things have a lot of political power in America right now. they keep getting what they want - it's going to keep getting worse.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby mission » 01 Aug 2018, 23:50

It feels good to shout and flaunt and vent and yell crazy shit.

The real problem is that the irrational cannot be reasoned away.

The usual strictures against this kind of thing - that it is Not Acceptable or, more recently, that it is uncool - don't work for these kind of people. They were left way, way behind by the arbiters of cool or acceptability and gave up caring about that a long time ago.

It's especially galling and weird to them that the determiners of cool in the US are, and have been for a long time, urban black folk and the arbiters of acceptability are and always have been rich cunts.

There is nothing in the flyover states for those left behind than Christian churches actively inimical to the messages of Jesus, shitty sport and shittier drugs. Oh, and weird shiny stuff on the internet.

Tell me three good things - good, shiny and true - that can replace these destructive tools of the oppressor. Tell me how you can make them accessible and attractive to the knobgobblers and cretins and you will cure America.

Because America, she is fucked.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby mission » 02 Aug 2018, 10:40

Okay, two good things?
Good.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 02 Aug 2018, 15:11

What, you mean American institutions that haven't become irrevocably damaged in the last generation?

Public education (which they're trying to destroy)
Free press (kind of on its last legs)
Uhh... porn?
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Postby bobzilla77 » 02 Aug 2018, 18:14

I think the good thing about America is that we can eventually correct our course. We don't have to wait for Trump to die to see regime change.

It may be tougher than ever given the number of people who are hearing information that says "crash into the iceberg! It's the right thing to do!" and trying to sieze the steering wheel to do just that.

But successfully altering our course is one possible outcome.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 02 Aug 2018, 18:19

^^^ Yeah, maybe the workers will seize the means of production, LOL.
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Postby Count Machuki » 02 Aug 2018, 22:43

Snarfyguy wrote:Meanwhile, we'll have to wait for Jimbo to tell us about this awesome new conspiracy cult: QAnon. Just when you thought politics couldn't get any stupider - it's been called Pizzagate on bath salts and the core narratives resemble extremely demented/paranoid fan fiction.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90212200/qa ... umps-rally


Another peek into The Jimbosphere and the people who live there

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/ ... ory/220890
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 02 Aug 2018, 23:15

Count Machuki wrote:
Snarfyguy wrote:Meanwhile, we'll have to wait for Jimbo to tell us about this awesome new conspiracy cult: QAnon. Just when you thought politics couldn't get any stupider - it's been called Pizzagate on bath salts and the core narratives resemble extremely demented/paranoid fan fiction.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90212200/qa ... umps-rally


Another peek into The Jimbosphere and the people who live there

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/ ... ory/220890

I swear, it's like Scientology or Mormonism or something.

What a dumb time to be alive.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 03 Aug 2018, 00:40

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... et-service

Now this is kind of juicy. Russian national, hired by the Secret Service, feeding info to FSB all the while. And when the Secret Service figures it out, they ... evidently don't do anything about it except tell her not to come back to work, months later.

“The US Congress is focusing on Russian hackers when it is possible that all of the information they needed to get into the system came from the internal breach in the Secret Service,” the source said.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 04 Aug 2018, 01:22

You never know with a jury, but reading WaPo's trial coverage, Manafort's goose would appear to be cooked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/loc ... bc0b493773

Even if the defense can overcome the relentlessly damning torrent of testimony from Manafort's financial people and somehow prevail, PM himself is still going to be on the hook for tens of millions of dollars that IRS is unlikely to forgive, not to mention another $10 million he appears to owe to oligarch Oleg Deripashka, the kind of guy you probably REALLY don't want to owe huge sums of money to. He might be better off in prison. I suppose there's always the possibility of a mistrial or something, but that's just kicking the can down the road, plus there's his other federal criminal trial slated for next month.

I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Stuff like $900,000 worth of antique rugs vs. watching your children grow up? I almost feel sorry for him the way you do for someone in a Greek tragedy, with the hubris or whatever. Almost.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 04 Aug 2018, 03:06

The Ostrich Jacket is where I draw the line,
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