President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 25 Jul 2018, 19:19

bobzilla77 wrote:What IS the end game of all these tariffs?


I thought this was an interesting take - the "shakedown racket" theory:
https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2018/07 ... stero.html


It goes like this: the tariffs, by instituting an international trade war with our country, were intended to create hardship not only abroad but more importantly, in the US. This provides the Trump administration a splendid opportunity to offer "protection" to its loyal supporters. Protection could come in the form of exemption from the tariffs for specific business sectors or in the form of cash payoffs to offset the financial burden. A shakedown racket depends upon creating problems for those to be shaken down. And, as the hardships deepen, the protections Trump provides his supporters will become all that more valuable.

As for those who don't support Trump? The administration can simply respond, "No can do. There's a trade war going on. Blame Europe for your problems. Blame Obama for the lousy deals that forced us to institute tariffs in the first place. It's not our fault."
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 25 Jul 2018, 20:29

Jimbo wrote:
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Jimbo wrote: war, regime change, energy, weapons sales, middle east policies, etc., are what's at stake. Purposefully or stupidly Trump is fucking with that agenda.


This is what you absolutely, flat-out just refuse to acknowledge. He's not. Name me one thing he's done to change any of those things.

And sorry, supporters - "the other side's just as bad/does it too" is a moronic, meaningless response.


Whoa, do you think Trump is handling foreign affairs well, as well as blah blah blah blah blah, etc...



Ditch the comparison. Pretend Hillary doesn't exist. Pretend Trump was appointed president because he was the only choice.

Now, what have you got? Name me one thing he's done to fuck with any of those things you say he's fucking with.

(Meaning in a positive way - not increasing our reliance on coal, for example.)

One thing. Just one.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 25 Jul 2018, 20:31

Yeah that's kind of what I thought. It's a general principle that, during times of economic chaos, the Super Rich do very well for themselves.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 25 Jul 2018, 20:45

toomanyhatz wrote:One thing. Just one.


I hear the TRUMP Tower makes one hell of a taco bowl.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 25 Jul 2018, 20:50

bobzilla77 wrote:Yeah that's kind of what I thought. It's a general principle that, during times of economic chaos, the Super Rich do very well for themselves.


what gets me is how goddam shameless it is. I mean, it's not like we haven't been down this road before. this time the tax breaks were WAY bigger and the attendant "helping the middle class" bullshit was WAY louder. Nobody appears to be standing around waiting for those companies to kick down the jobs. in fact, they've made it pretty clear that shit ain't gonna happen.

Hey, I've got an idea! let's cram another big fat tax cut down American's throats and make all the same empty promises and call everybody else a bunch of liars all over again!!!

Q:How many times can they pull this shit before America sits up straight and smells a rat?
A: Forever? it sure the fuck is starting to look that way.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 26 Jul 2018, 01:17

toomanyhatz wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
toomanyhatz wrote:
This is what you absolutely, flat-out just refuse to acknowledge. He's not. Name me one thing he's done to change any of those things.

And sorry, supporters - "the other side's just as bad/does it too" is a moronic, meaningless response.


Whoa, do you think Trump is handling foreign affairs well, as well as blah blah blah blah blah, etc...



Ditch the comparison. Pretend Hillary doesn't exist. Pretend Trump was appointed president because he was the only choice.

Now, what have you got? Name me one thing he's done to fuck with any of those things you say he's fucking with.

(Meaning in a positive way - not increasing our reliance on coal, for example.)

One thing. Just one.


Aside from his cuddling with Russia? That aside, you are right. He hasn't done that much yet to upset the "agenda." That's a good thing, right? Steady as she goes, keeping the course, SS Status Quo, pip pip!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 26 Jul 2018, 01:39

This "pay with cash" versus "don't pay with cash" thing is the most ridiculous rigmarole I've ever heard.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 26 Jul 2018, 20:20

Jimbo wrote:
toomanyhatz wrote:
Ditch the comparison. Pretend Hillary doesn't exist. Pretend Trump was appointed president because he was the only choice.

Now, what have you got? Name me one thing he's done to fuck with any of those things you say he's fucking with.

(Meaning in a positive way - not increasing our reliance on coal, for example.)

One thing. Just one.


Aside from his cuddling with Russia? That aside, you are right. He hasn't done that much yet to upset the "agenda." That's a good thing, right? Steady as she goes, keeping the course, SS Status Quo, pip pip!


I have said absolutely nothing on this thread - please read it back if you don't believe me - to suggest that.

You are STILL using "but Hillary..."

Outside of that you've got nothing.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 26 Jul 2018, 23:35

The midterm election hacking has commenced:

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/ ... port%3famp
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Postby mentalist (slight return) » 27 Jul 2018, 00:47

A couple of fascinating articles on Trump's mentor in asshattery Roy Cohn

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... trump.html

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06 ... lationship
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 27 Jul 2018, 05:44

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:The midterm election hacking has commenced:

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/ ... port%3famp


I’ve got a shiny new nickel that says Jimbo calls bullshit.



mentalist (slight return) wrote:A couple of fascinating articles on Trump's mentor in asshattery Roy Cohn

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... trump.html

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06 ... lationship


The thing that really gets me about this stuff is how Cohn and even Nixon did this shit mostly behind the scenes. Trump, like McCarthy, makes his wild claims & character assassinations out where all can see. I hope his fall from grace is as swift & certain.

THIS would be a good opportunity.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics ... index.html
By Cohen's account, Trump approved going ahead with the meeting with the Russians, according to sources

I’ve got another nickel that says TRUMP ramps up the Cohn tactics and goes up another 3 to 5 points in the polls.
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Postby mentalist (slight return) » 27 Jul 2018, 06:20

Interestingly Cohn was a lifelong registered Democrat and he (and Trump for that matter) gave a whole load of money over the years to various democrats in NYC, mayors & people such as Chuck Schumer & Hilary Clinton. Obviously that's how you peddle influence in that city. 20 years ago it would have been more likely that if you thought about Trump running for office, it would have been as a Democrat. They should strongly consider the nuclear option for NYC Democrats! People like Ocasio-Cortez are clearly more refreshing.
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Postby mentalist (slight return) » 27 Jul 2018, 06:34

Another interesting article. Showing how stinky Crowley and the Queens Democratic machine is:

http://newyorkdailynews.ny.newsmemory.c ... =062ed7f8f
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 27 Jul 2018, 17:41

Well this is certainly getting interesting (Trump Tower meeting denials).

In a loosely structured campaign, with people coming in and out of Trump’s office at will, and all of them desperately vying for the boss’s approval, the notion that they could set up what they believed to be a meeting that would deliver devastating dirt on Crooked Hillary and not tell Trump what they had done is preposterous.

Indeed, the night the meeting was set up (but before it took place), Trump excitedly told a crowd, “I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting.”

After the meeting failed to produce the hoped-for dirt, the promised speech did not take place.

Cohen can testify that he was present when Trump was informed of the meeting.

Trump, who has lied about his dealings with Russia so many times that his word has grown completely worthless, has to resort to the defense of pulling down the value of hostile witnesses to his own level. Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s attorney, told CNN Thursday night, “[Cohen]’s been lying all week, he’s been lying for years.”

Years! Keep in mind that Cohen has been working for Trump until recently. The effort to impugn Cohen’s credibility naturally impeaches Trump’s own credibility. Neither man is especially trustworthy, but the preponderance of circumstantial evidence supports Cohen’s testimony.

One can see the ground already shifting in the defenses of Trump. Now his defenders deny that working cooperatively with Russians to obtain Russian dirt on Clinton amounts to collusion, or that such a thing is bad at all. “Look, I don’t think that it’s bad if campaigns are turning to foreign governments for dirt,” asserts Andrew McCarthy on Fox News, “It’s not collusion. It’s not something that’s impeachable; it’s icky, but that’s what this is.”

But if that’s the case, and Trump faces no legal liability for his secret collaboration with Russia, why didn’t he simply admit it all along? Why tell a series of lies and implicate his subordinates in those lies, exposing them to potential perjury charges? Perhaps because he has more to hide.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... lying.html

Giuliani, May 6, 2018, re Michael Cohen: "The man is an honest, honorable lawyer."

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 27 Jul 2018, 17:57

“It’s icky” :lol:
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Postby Count Machuki » 27 Jul 2018, 18:31

sneelock wrote:“It’s icky” :lol:


Is that a Donald Trump, Jr. reference?
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Postby Snarfyguy » 27 Jul 2018, 18:40

Hmm, now this Weisselberg guy (Trump Org CFO who "knows where the bodies are buried") is getting dragged in, and in fact, may already have testified.

This guy guy prepared DJT's taxes and was the treasurer of the Trump "charitable" foundation (that is getting so sued right now). I bet he know some interesting stuff. I wonder if they can just ask him any old thing.

https://thinkprogress.org/allen-weissel ... aa7fafd57/
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 29 Jul 2018, 18:25

Trump threatens government shutdown if Dems don’t vote to fund “the wall” and cut the programs he opposes.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/29/politics ... index.html
IMO, EVERY Democrat should be on EVERY TV show reminding America who is supposed to pay for the wall. We ALL know that MEXICO is supposed to pay for the wall. It’s time to say so, over and over again. He made a promise he can’t keep. People who support him need to be forced to own this.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby LeBaron » 31 Jul 2018, 15:10

LeBaron wrote:And in the meantime, the President stacks the federal courts with judges far more radical than Kennedy and Roberts, so if and when all of the liberals wet dreams of majority governance come true, the federal courts will say, "not so fast." When the time comes to strike down universal healthcare or to overturn Roe v. Wade or ditch the exclusionary rule or declare the EPA unconstitutional, they won't strike out.


Even the Failing NYT says so!

NYT wrote:The expected appeals court confirmation on Tuesday of Britt C. Grant, 40, a Georgia Supreme Court justice who was once a clerk for Judge Kavanaugh, would be Mr. Trump’s 24th circuit court appointment — more than any other president had secured at this point in his presidency since the creation of the regional circuit court system in 1891, according to an analysis of judicial records by The New York Times. The Senate did not confirm President Barack Obama’s 24th nominee to the regional circuit courts until the fourth year of his presidency.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/p ... udges.html
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 31 Jul 2018, 23:21

oh boy, more bad news!
https://slate.com/business/2018/07/trum ... theft.html
Now, the White House appears to be contemplating a proposal that would combine our president’s two great loves into one, by using a legally questionable regulatory move to enact a $100 billion tax cut for the wealthy without bothering to pass a pesky bill through Capitol Hill first. In an interview reported Monday by the New York Times, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said his department is looking into whether it can unilaterally alter the rules Americans use to calculate their capital gains taxes in order to account for inflation when they sell assets like stocks and bonds, a technical tweak that would result in a huge windfall for investors.


hopefully, the White House is just putting out "feelers" to see how people react to this.
hopefully they will soon pull back a stump.
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