President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 06 Jul 2018, 17:29

sneelock wrote:it's pretty simple really. everybody I know who carries on about how much they hate politics voted for TRUMP. they STILL hate politics - they hate the media, they hate the government, they love TRUMP. They hate "the elites" and hang on every word of a guy who boasts of his gold toilet. that's a lot of hate right there. He is the monster from their ID & they don't find this monster as fearsome as they find politics, media, government. go figure.

what I don't get is how long TRUMP will get away with running the government while continuing to capitalize on people hating it. you'd think the point would have passed already where some chickens would come home to roost but I'm not convinced it ever will. we have a President of the United States who threatens to shut down the government. you are either on the side that thinks this a wonderful thing or you think its CRAZY. never the twain shall meet.


Heard something last night that Trump supporters aren't really pro-conservative, just anti-liberal.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 06 Jul 2018, 18:18

I think it is a waste of time and energy trying to understand them. One thing is clear - logical appeals won’t work.

Just as with a certain member of this board, you just have to accept the fact that they are beyond reach. The rest of us just need to transcend our differences and take them out of the driver’s seat.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 06 Jul 2018, 18:22

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:I think it is a waste of time and energy trying to understand them. One thing is clear - logical appeals won’t work.

Just as with a certain member of this board, you just have to accept the fact that they are beyond reach. The rest of us just need to transcend our differences and take them out of the driver’s seat.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 06 Jul 2018, 19:13

Davey the Fat Boy wrote: you just have to accept the fact that they are beyond reach.

I agree with this part.

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:The rest of us just need to transcend our differences and take them out of the driver’s seat.

I think this part is easier said than done. sure, we all transcend, that sounds good. but how likely is it?
Maxine Waters transcends confronting people supporting separating families as being a biblical plan of action. Chuck and Nancy transcend telling Maxine Waters how she should talk about what. The Black Woman's Caucus transcends telling Chuck & Nancy that they've got no business lecturing Maxine Waters. primary challengers transcend winning seats from established seal of approval candidates. the DNC transcends being hostile to democratically elected candidates and withholding funds. that's a lot of transcending but I'm being coy because I'm pretty sure that's not what you mean.

I think what you mean to say is that people on "the left" need to get with the program and do what they're told so the party can present a unified front. While it’s easy to follow the logic I just don't think that's going to happen. The Dems need to make peace with the base or (like with the Black Woman's Caucus) they risk losing it's support.

the Democratic party needs to get it's act together. we all transcend or nobody does. the party splits and the Trumpies score more wins. it takes two to tango. I don't mind if the old guard wants to lead but they can't do this dance by themselves.


I think the party establishment needs to engage the base and make their peace with it. a little effort would go a long way.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 07 Jul 2018, 04:32

I’m not sure Snee.

Look - if a little effort really would go very long, I’d be for giving a lot of effort. It is important to unify. I’d love to see the party do as much as possible to ensure that we do.

But I sense that it won’t be that easy.

The Clinton campaign adopted most of the Sanders platform. It didn’t help. Perez took on Ellison as his deputy. Didn’t help. I’m not sure what will. Nor do I think we have the time for a charm offensive.

So I’m hoping that we have a candidate with the skill to stitch it all together. Or absent that, I’m hoping that everyone understands the stakes. Because I’m pretty sure that our nation will not survive 8 years of Trump without becoming something very very alien.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 07 Jul 2018, 08:08

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
The Clinton campaign adopted most of the Sanders platform. It didn’t help. Perez took on Ellison as his deputy. Didn’t help. I’m not sure what will. Nor do I think we have the time for a charm offensive.


And voters spotted that hypocrisy and went with the more genuine-seeming candidate, crazy Uncle Trump.

You ignore what progressive internet pundits like Cenk, Dore, Kalinski and others scream out daily, that for the Dems to win in 2020 they need run on policy not charm. Promote free college (and trade school), Medicare for all, end stupid wars, legalize pot, campaign reform, etc., AND MEAN IT! You may think it is too late but it isn't. Look how quickly Cortez became a media star, and she's just a candidate. Start promoting a radical shift from politics as usual now and you will get attention and then some votes.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 07 Jul 2018, 08:54

Case in point.







Answer with a Jimmy Dore video, please...
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 07 Jul 2018, 09:40



"We're gonna beat Trump with hard-nosed civility and compromise."
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 09 Jul 2018, 17:02

Let U be the set of all united sets, K be the set of the kids and D be the set of things divided.
Then it follows that ∀ k ∈ K: K ∈ U ⇒ k ∉ D

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 09 Jul 2018, 21:53

^^^ Likely too plausible a theory for Jimbo to get invested in. :)
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 09 Jul 2018, 22:33

McConnell decries obstruction of Trump's judicial nominee.

Irony is truly dead.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 09 Jul 2018, 22:43

It's hard to get too upset by people chasing him and calling him "turtle head" when you hear stuff like that.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 10 Jul 2018, 00:37

Count Machuki wrote:Will Trump Be Meeting With His Counterpart — Or His Handler?
A plausible theory of mind-boggling collusion.

By Jonathan Chait


COME ON, Jimbo - there's a "madman wall" chart and everything, man!


I do love my conspiracy theories and that is a really good one, hard to disbelieve and frightening as fuck. The article has jaundiced my pro-Putin views for the moment but since I'm always on the prowl for a counter RUSSIA!!! narrative I'll let you know when I have another one. And I don't do that to be necessarily contrary, I do it because I have looked and you haven't for plausible alternative explanations for the madness. I could launch into a a "What about her emails!" now but the implications of this article are worse for America and the world than another Clinton swindle. Thanks for posting and I will keep it's contents in my memory bank.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Jimbo wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:Will Trump Be Meeting With His Counterpart — Or His Handler?
A plausible theory of mind-boggling collusion.

By Jonathan Chait


COME ON, Jimbo - there's a "madman wall" chart and everything, man!


I do love my conspiracy theories and that is a really good one, hard to disbelieve and frightening as fuck. The article has jaundiced my pro-Putin views for the moment but since I'm always on the prowl for a counter RUSSIA!!! narrative I'll let you know when I have another one. And I don't do that to be necessarily contrary, I do it because I have looked and you haven't for plausible alternative explanations for the madness. I could launch into a a "What about her emails!" now but the implications of this article are worse for America and the world than another Clinton swindle. Thanks for posting and I will keep it's contents in my memory bank.


:?

Who are you and where is Jimbo?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Jul 2018, 02:57

He’ll be back.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 10 Jul 2018, 03:04

Jimmy Dore is only on once a week.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Jul 2018, 04:12

What's non-Jimbo about that response? He's always raised the standard of plausibility for theories coming from elsewhere besides his "sources."
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 10 Jul 2018, 04:24

And here I go with a tip of the hat to Jimmy Dore who does not debunk the New Yorker article but shows how shit just ain't right with the whole affair and it ain't all Putin's fault.

Dore shows a Washington Post story titled

Paul Manafort wants trial moved to Roanoke, says Northern Virginia too liberal


And it goes on about this and that and bank fraud charges but way down at the bottom is this

“The government does not intend to present at trial evidence or argument concerning collusion with the Russian government,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Uzo Asonye writes.


:o

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... 1fde835c9a

According the the New Yorker article, among many other "dots" is evidence of a Trump-Putin connection via Manafort who, having been the Russia-favoring Ukrainian prez's campaign manager, soon after becomes Trump's. Holy shit, that's what we've been clamoring for, actual collusion. But then instead of what should be the headline, Government Will Present No Collusion Charges, we get an ordinary corruption and bank fraud trial, or something.

Someone tell me what gives?

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 10 Jul 2018, 15:14

Jimbo wrote:According the the New Yorker article, among many other "dots" is evidence of a Trump-Putin connection via Manafort who, having been the Russia-favoring Ukrainian prez's campaign manager, soon after becomes Trump's. Holy shit, that's what we've been clamoring for, actual collusion. But then instead of what should be the headline, Government Will Present No Collusion Charges, we get an ordinary corruption and bank fraud trial, or something.

Someone tell me what gives?

Mueller knows what he's doing, I'll tell you that, even if we don't. Either he doesn't need collusion evidence to come out in the Manafort trial(s) to get to the bottom of the story, or he's playing a game his adversaries (and the public) don't understand or who knows what? Manafort's money laundering and tax crimes appear to be a pretty small element of a much larger pattern, so let's just see what happens.
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Postby bobzilla77 » 10 Jul 2018, 18:32

Nevada Ranchers pardoned today. I wonder what they'll invade next now that they have a green light from the President.
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