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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 03 May 2018, 19:18

Count Machuki wrote:I thought that Guiliani thing was a major fuckup at first but it was deliberate, right?

I haven't watched the interview, but the sense I'm getting is that Rudy seemed unaware of what the official line on Stormy Daniels was. There were previously no concessions that a) Trump reimbursed Cohen for the $130K or b) that Trump was aware of the payment from Cohen to Daniels in the first place.

Now, suddenly, per Rudy, the issue isn't whether Trump knew anything in particular or did anything in particular, but rather how the things he did weren't FEC violations.

WHAT? Unless I'm missing something -- and please do let me know -- it seems clear that Rudy didn't know what his team's position on this issue was when he went on TV to talk about it. How can that even be possible?

Anyway, this all may have been part of a plan to state for the record what the administration's position is now, but either it was a bad plan, or Rudy bungled it in a major way. Now we have Cohen on a retainer arrangement for non-legal work, follow-up tweets that appear to create problems for Trump in Daniel's defamation suit and furthermore, Rudy's assertion that the funds paid out weren't campaign funds hardly gets trump off the hook.

But I'm enjoying these people tying themselves into rhetorical knots and just making everything worse and worse for themselves! :D
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Copehead » 03 May 2018, 19:24

Snarfyguy wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:I thought that Guiliani thing was a major fuckup at first but it was deliberate, right?

I haven't watched the interview, but the sense I'm getting is that Rudy seemed unaware of what the official line on Stormy Daniels was. There were previously no concessions that a) Trump reimbursed Cohen for the $130K or b) that Trump was aware of the payment from Cohen to Daniels in the first place.

Now, suddenly, per Rudy, the issue isn't whether Trump knew anything in particular or did anything in particular, but rather how the things he did weren't FEC violations.

WHAT? Unless I'm missing something -- and please do let me know -- it seems clear that Rudy didn't know what his team's position on this issue was when he went on TV to talk about it. How can that even be possible?

Anyway, this all may have been part of a plan to state for the record what the administration's position is now, but either it was a bad plan, or Rudy bungled it in a major way. Now we have Cohen on a retainer arrangement for non-legal work, follow-up tweets that appear to create problems for Trump in Daniel's defamation suit and furthermore, Rudy's assertion that the funds paid out weren't campaign funds hardly gets trump off the hook.

But I'm enjoying these people tying themselves into rhetorical knots and just making everything worse and worse for themselves! :D


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 03 May 2018, 19:25

It’s hard to assess how much of Rudy Giuliani’s behavior can be considered legal cluelessness and how much of it can be considered an example of taking a bullet to the leg in order to prevent a bullet to the heart. Presumably, they know that the old lies about the Stormy Daniels payment cannot be sustained now that the Feds have Cohen’s records. They can no longer defend against a campaign finance violation so there’s no point in trying. Their main concern is trying to prevent Cohen from becoming a cooperating witness, so Rudy says, “Cohen made it go away. He did his job.”


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Giuliani: "The settlement payment, which is a very regular thing for lawyers to do. The question there was, the only possible violation there would be: Was it a campaign finance violation? Which usually results in a fine, by the way, not this big stormtroopers coming in and breaking down his apartment and breaking down his office.

"That was money that was paid by his lawyer, the way I would do, out of his law firm funds or whatever funds — it doesn't matter — and the president reimbursed that over the period of several months."

Hannity: "He had said, I distinctly remember, that he did it on his own —"

Giuliani: "He did?"

Hannity: "Without asking —"

Giuliani: "I don't know, I haven't investigated that. No reason to dispute that, no reason to dispute that recollection. I like Michael a lot, you like Michael a lot —"
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 03 May 2018, 19:38

Count Machuki wrote:I thought that Guiliani thing was a major fuckup at first but it was deliberate, right?
Copping to it as a personal payment is the least bad option right now.
Notice the way he fell over himself to make clear that it wasn't campaign money.
Like that campaign was competent enough to know the difference.


I don't understand that whole thing. Everyone on the left and pundits are saying it was a mistake, but he went on Hannity and Fox and Friends this morning with same story.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 03 May 2018, 20:13

sloopjohnc wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:I thought that Guiliani thing was a major fuckup at first but it was deliberate, right?
Copping to it as a personal payment is the least bad option right now.
Notice the way he fell over himself to make clear that it wasn't campaign money.
Like that campaign was competent enough to know the difference.


I don't understand that whole thing. Everyone on the left and pundits are saying it was a mistake, but he went on Hannity and Fox and Friends this morning with same story.

I think he was trying to clarify his comments, although he seemed actually to compound Trump's legal problems (e.g. he fired Comey over his failure to exonerate him; yoking the $130K payment directly to the campgaign ("what if the story had come out before the third debate?"), etc.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 03 May 2018, 20:38

JFC

Rudy Giuliani called for Attorney General Jeff Sessions to intervene in the Michael Cohen case and put the people behind the probe “under investigation” in a phone call with The Hill on Thursday.

“I am waiting for the Attorney General to step in, in his role as defender of justice, and put these people under investigation,” Giuliani said, reacting to an NBC News report that phones belonging to Cohen, President Trump’s longtime personal attorney, had been tapped by investigators.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... n-on-cohen

Can you imagine the how incriminating your evidence has to be to get a warrant to record THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER'S phone calls?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 03 May 2018, 20:53

it's gotta be because of Michael Cohen's recorded phone calls.
it's too late for " he didn't know" so they're stressing that it wasn't campaign money.
another sack of shit excuse that will be replaced with another bag as soon as the bottom falls out of this one.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 03 May 2018, 21:00

I'll tell you this, when I first heard all the jackass shit Rudy was saying - I thought he was throwing DT under the bus. remember all that talk of him being "considered" for Attorney General? they dropped him like a hot potato. surely it must be payback time. naw.

after reading the President's tweets - it seems like they are changing horses in midstream again.
boy, they sure are going through a lot of them.
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sneelock wrote:I'll tell you this, when I first heard all the jackass shit Rudy was saying - I thought he was throwing DT under the bus. remember all that talk of him being "considered" for Attorney General? they dropped him like a hot potato. surely it must be payback time. naw.

after reading the President's tweets - it seems like they are changing horses in midstream again.
boy, they sure are going through a lot of them.


On CNN, they were saying at lunch that Guiliani and Trump are spouting all this stuff to show that the FBI and DOJ are corrupt. And if that happens, there could be a purge.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 03 May 2018, 21:03

Snarfyguy wrote:[yoking the $130K payment directly to the campgaign ("what if the story had come out before the third debate?"), etc.


Doesn't seem to help the cause, but what do I know?

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Postby LeBaron » 04 May 2018, 00:05

I haven’t followed this story so I’m not really up on it. Wapo says Rudy G was worried about the federal law problems of campaign money was used for this and wanted to nip it in the bud. He may not be wrong, but it seems like a pretty rash stunt to pull, without working it out with Trump’s real lawyers first. As far as I know, Rufy G. has never really been a white collar defense lawyer. Letting him make these calls seems super reckless. Business as usual.
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LeBaron wrote:I haven’t followed this story so I’m not really up on it. Wapo says Rudy G was worried about the federal law problems of campaign money was used for this and wanted to nip it in the bud. He may not be wrong, but it seems like a pretty rash stunt to pull, without working it out with Trump’s real lawyers first. As far as I know, Rufy G. has never really been a white collar defense lawyer. Letting him make these calls seems super reckless. Business as usual.


But then Rudy said the money was paid to clear Trump's reputation so he could have a clean run for the Presidency. That means the money was spent for the campaign and so qualifies as a campaign expense. Maybe.
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Postby Sneelock » 04 May 2018, 18:41

so, NBC said the FBI had Cohen wiretapped. Rudy said DT paid Cohen back and DT tweeted back up to this. THEN NBC retracts the wiretap story and DT tweets that Rudy didn't know what he was talking about. sheesh.

Maybe Rudy just has Turrets or something. it seems to me that Sean Hannity would NOT have been gobsmacked by Rudy contradicting what the White House has been saying for months - seems like he would have been in the loop.
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Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 05 May 2018, 00:03

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LeBaron wrote:I haven’t followed this story so I’m not really up on it. Wapo says Rudy G was worried about the federal law problems of campaign money was used for this and wanted to nip it in the bud. He may not be wrong, but it seems like a pretty rash stunt to pull, without working it out with Trump’s real lawyers first. As far as I know, Rufy G. has never really been a white collar defense lawyer. Letting him make these calls seems super reckless. Business as usual.


But then Rudy said the money was paid to clear Trump's reputation so he could have a clean run for the Presidency. That means the money was spent for the campaign and so qualifies as a campaign expense. Maybe.


Rudy can say that, but he with the campaign then, so they have room wriggle away from that. He can give his impressions of their intent, but Trump and others can contradict him and the courts will probably buy it.

If Daniel’s attorney has emails showing that they were pushing to get it done before the election (as he says he does) - that might be trouble for them.

Meanwhile, I suspect that Rudy thinks the campaign finance angle is the biggest danger and decided to pre-empt it. Badly.
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Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn’t Vote — and Don’t Regret It

MILWAUKEE — Four barbers and a firefighter were pondering their future under a Trump presidency at the Upper Cutz barbershop last week….

All four barbers had voted for Mr. Obama. But only two could muster the enthusiasm to vote this time. And even then, it was a sort of protest. One wrote in Mrs. Clinton’s Democratic opponent, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. The other wrote in himself.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/m ... et-it.html


See how in time the truth comes out? Blaming Bernie bros, Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Russia, sexism, etc., for Hillary's loss. More Hillary supporter-style bullshit. Those factors were peanuts compared to how Obama and then a presumed Clinton White House would not serve the people with tangible things and policies.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 05 May 2018, 05:54

You know...I REALLY hope that Bernie Sanders or whomever you like in 2020 wins the next Presidential election, just so that I can watch you become disillusioned with them and post dumbshit articles like this one.
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Jimbo wrote:
Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn’t Vote — and Don’t Regret It

MILWAUKEE — Four barbers and a firefighter were pondering their future under a Trump presidency at the Upper Cutz barbershop last week….

All four barbers had voted for Mr. Obama. But only two could muster the enthusiasm to vote this time. And even then, it was a sort of protest. One wrote in Mrs. Clinton’s Democratic opponent, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. The other wrote in himself.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/m ... et-it.html


See how in time the truth comes out? Blaming Bernie bros, Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Russia, sexism, etc., for Hillary's loss. More Hillary supporter-style bullshit. Those factors were peanuts compared to how Obama and then a presumed Clinton White House would not serve the people with tangible things and policies.


I looked and the thread title is still "Donald J Trump".
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