President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 26 Apr 2018, 18:43

LOCK JIMBO UP!!!
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Postby sloopjohnc » 26 Apr 2018, 18:50

I don't know if anyone watched the CNN Town Hall with Comey and Anderson Cooper at William and Mary's.

Interesting.

One of the stories Comey told was about how he was led into law enforcement. When he was a senior in high school, a notorious, regional rapist broke into his house when only he and his brother were home. Comey convinced the rapist to lock his brother and him in the bathroom. Eventually, the rapist disappeared into a nearby woods and was never caught, but Comey said he thought about that life or death situation every day for the next five years.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 27 Apr 2018, 14:33

The Democrats are officially an over-funded novelty joke party with a humorously ironic novelty joke name. They are useless. They are worthless. Time for something new
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Pelosi: “I Don’t See Anything Inappropriate” In Rigging Primaries

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 27 Apr 2018, 15:55

How come no one here is cheering for the DNC lawsuit against Wikileaks?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 27 Apr 2018, 16:24

‘Cause it’s dumb.
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Postby harvey k-tel » 27 Apr 2018, 16:37

Lawsuits are BOOOORING.
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Postby clive gash » 27 Apr 2018, 16:40

We’ve not received the latest ANALYSIS.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 27 Apr 2018, 16:50

Jimbo wrote:How come no one here is cheering for the DNC lawsuit against Wikileaks?

I'm all for it.
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Postby Sneelock » 28 Apr 2018, 00:53

I think the way they are going about it is a mistake. I think it plays into the Repubs narrative that the Dems are still in denial about 2016. I think it puts the Repubs in the cat-bird seat and they are already more smug than I can possibly stand. I think the best antidote to that smugness is to beat the ever loving pants off of them this year.

I think the audio clip Jimbo posted underlines some worries I've been having about the party's ability to do this. I don't want to get my Sumo Suit on and start grappling with Davey but MY opinion is that the party is seriously out of touch with the political realities of the year 2018. I think the lawsuit is unfocused and makes them look like whiners. I'd like to see them acting like winners. rah rah.
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Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 28 Apr 2018, 05:03

sneelock wrote:I don't want to get my Sumo Suit on and start grappling with Davey but MY opinion is that the party is seriously out of touch with the political realities of the year 2018. I think the lawsuit is unfocused and makes them look like whiners. I'd like to see them acting like winners. rah rah.


I’m not a big fan of the lawsuit. But I don’t think it is going to impact things much either way. Nobody seems to care - and that is probably fine.

As for the larger issue regarding the party...I’m just not sure that you can tell anything from how things look right now. I get your concerns, and I don’t dismiss them. But I’m not sure that Democrats gain anything by nationalizing their message/strategy in 2018. We are going to try to win in a lot of reddish-purple districts and states - and the best way to do that is to allow voters to look at their individual candidates as not too closely aligned with Nancy and Chuck.

So for the moment, I think we’re seeing what we should be seeing. If it gets to late 2019 and it still feels like this, I’ll join you in worrying.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 28 Apr 2018, 05:17

Well, when the legislative brach of the government is enabling a corrupt executive branch what else is there but the judicial branch?

Keep in mind that the object here is not to put Wikileaks or Russia "in jail," but rather to see what information/documents emerge in the discovery phase of the proceedings (if it gets to that point). I don't really care "how it looks"; the right wing is going to be making the same amount of noise no matter what the left does, or doesn't do.
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Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 28 Apr 2018, 06:28

Jimbo wrote:
The Democrats are officially an over-funded novelty joke party with a humorously ironic novelty joke name. They are useless. They are worthless. Time for something new
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Pelosi: “I Don’t See Anything Inappropriate” In Rigging Primaries

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/pelo ... 1ac1bb70c8



Here’s some context...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.pastem ... stric.html

The DCCC is in the business of trying to win elections. Jason Crow is currently leading Mile Coffman in most polls in what has historically been a reliably conservative district. So why shouldn’t the party back a guy who they think can win?

By all accounts Tillerman looks pretty solid, so I won’t try to compare him to the parade of tea party candidates who lost winnable seats for the GOP over the last few elections. But their existence illustrates why the party would want to be involved and why strict democracy isn’t always the best idea. We don’t actually know these people. We see them on tv. We read about them. The people who work in politics do - and they often know things we don’t.

So we have a system that allows the party to try to guide their voters. You wouldn’t disagree with that as a concept if you felt they were guiding people towards the things you want.you would call it leadership.

Anyhow - Tillerman’s brand of progressivism might or might not be electable in a reddish-purple district. We don’t know. But we DO know that Crow was polling ahead before Tillerman released that tape. If it causes the local party to split and elects Coffman, will that feel like a progressive victory to you?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 03 May 2018, 17:19

Well, it didn't take Rudy long to straighten everything out, LOL!
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Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 03 May 2018, 17:50

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 03 May 2018, 18:17

I thought that Guiliani thing was a major fuckup at first but it was deliberate, right?
Copping to it as a personal payment is the least bad option right now.
Notice the way he fell over himself to make clear that it wasn't campaign money.
Like that campaign was competent enough to know the difference.
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Postby Count Machuki » 03 May 2018, 18:39

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 03 May 2018, 19:18

Count Machuki wrote:I thought that Guiliani thing was a major fuckup at first but it was deliberate, right?

I haven't watched the interview, but the sense I'm getting is that Rudy seemed unaware of what the official line on Stormy Daniels was. There were previously no concessions that a) Trump reimbursed Cohen for the $130K or b) that Trump was aware of the payment from Cohen to Daniels in the first place.

Now, suddenly, per Rudy, the issue isn't whether Trump knew anything in particular or did anything in particular, but rather how the things he did weren't FEC violations.

WHAT? Unless I'm missing something -- and please do let me know -- it seems clear that Rudy didn't know what his team's position on this issue was when he went on TV to talk about it. How can that even be possible?

Anyway, this all may have been part of a plan to state for the record what the administration's position is now, but either it was a bad plan, or Rudy bungled it in a major way. Now we have Cohen on a retainer arrangement for non-legal work, follow-up tweets that appear to create problems for Trump in Daniel's defamation suit and furthermore, Rudy's assertion that the funds paid out weren't campaign funds hardly gets trump off the hook.

But I'm enjoying these people tying themselves into rhetorical knots and just making everything worse and worse for themselves! :D
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Copehead » 03 May 2018, 19:24

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Count Machuki wrote:I thought that Guiliani thing was a major fuckup at first but it was deliberate, right?

I haven't watched the interview, but the sense I'm getting is that Rudy seemed unaware of what the official line on Stormy Daniels was. There were previously no concessions that a) Trump reimbursed Cohen for the $130K or b) that Trump was aware of the payment from Cohen to Daniels in the first place.

Now, suddenly, per Rudy, the issue isn't whether Trump knew anything in particular or did anything in particular, but rather how the things he did weren't FEC violations.

WHAT? Unless I'm missing something -- and please do let me know -- it seems clear that Rudy didn't know what his team's position on this issue was when he went on TV to talk about it. How can that even be possible?

Anyway, this all may have been part of a plan to state for the record what the administration's position is now, but either it was a bad plan, or Rudy bungled it in a major way. Now we have Cohen on a retainer arrangement for non-legal work, follow-up tweets that appear to create problems for Trump in Daniel's defamation suit and furthermore, Rudy's assertion that the funds paid out weren't campaign funds hardly gets trump off the hook.

But I'm enjoying these people tying themselves into rhetorical knots and just making everything worse and worse for themselves! :D


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