President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 09 Mar 2018, 03:38

Jimbo wrote:I call bullshit. How can Corn and Issakof wheel out the Putins "abuses" in Ukraine and Syria as if it is a settled and natural fact. Undeniably there was some Russian involvement in these events, but abuses? As journalists they fail because there are legitimate counter-narratives to those scenarios but the authors fail to even give a nod in that direction.


Um, Corn and Isaakof's report is a counter-narrative (but I haven't read it yet).

Human Rights Watch world report on Russia, 2017 (including "abuses" in Syria and Ukraine): https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/c ... ers/russia
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Copehead » 09 Mar 2018, 03:48

Jimbo wrote:
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What could possibly explain Trump’s unwavering sympathy for the Russian strongman? His refusal to acknowledge Putin’s repressive tactics, his whitewashing of Putin’s abuses in Ukraine and Syria, his dismissal of the murders of Putin’s critics, his blind eye to Putin’s cyberattacks and disinformation campaigns aimed at subverting Western democracies?

:lol: sound like anybody you know?


I call bullshit. How can Corn and Issakof wheel out the Putins "abuses" in Ukraine and Syria as if it is a settled and natural fact. Undeniably there was some Russian involvement in these events, but abuses? As journalists they fail because there are legitimate counter-narratives to those scenarios but the authors fail to even give a nod in that direction, i.e., "Some journalists say A (link) but given Putins abuses …" Nor do they mention the US's role. Have the authors never even glanced at Consortium News where Parry made mincemeat of the mainstream narrative? And it wasn't Parry who hipped me to the Ukraine lie. It was Le Show, Harry Shearer who long ago played the tape of Nuland saying "Yats our guy," Shearer made me a Ukraine skeptic. I tried to read the article but this part stopped me in my tracks and I had to come here and vent.

PS I went back to the link and there are lots of words but not a link nor a Twitter screenshot to validate the words. Trump is a scummy guy but these guys are pimping a book, cashing in on the Fire and Fury tail wind and I can't wait to see them and their unprofessional behavior trashed by professionals.


Since when has invading another country not been considered an abuse?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 09 Mar 2018, 04:11

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Human Rights Watch world report on Russia, 2017 (including "abuses" in Syria and Ukraine): https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/c ... ers/russia


Right fucking here in the first paragraph is for the esteemed HRW is a turd.

Russia continued to support rebels who commit abuses in eastern Ukraine. Russia’s actions in occupied Crimea created a human rights crisis
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Occupied Crimea? There was a referendum asking voters if they want to stay with the new Ukraine or rejoin Russia and they chose Russia.

A controversial Crimea-wide referendum, unconstitutional under the Ukrainian and Crimean constitutions,[3][4][5] was held on the issue of reunification with Russia which, according to official results, indicated that a large majority of Crimeans wished to join with Russia
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That the HRW article makes no mention of the referendum, however "controversial," is lying by omission and flops the issue squarely into the neocons lap.

(It looks like they've been busy over at Wikipedia. I went looking for an entry re the referendum I used before and it was a lot less unflattering to what I see there now.)

Financier and philanthropist George Soros of the Open Society Foundation announced in 2010 his intention to grant US $100 million to HRW over a period of ten years to help it expand its efforts internationally.


Trigger name. Soros. :o But he's the guy who bankrolls these "color revolutions" - he bankrolled the Maidan revolt. BTW, maybe wrong here, but were the Ukraine citizens allowed to vote for this new government?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 09 Mar 2018, 04:29

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Man, oh, man, you, and Davey especially. are the useful idiots if you can't see how it is the US who is provoking, prodding, begging for an excuse to have a real-man's war, to spend and then get more money for guns and bombs and submarines. We are being played big time. This melding of Russiagate, Trump's hookers, fake news, Wikileaks, Hillary's emails, Clinton Foundation, all this craziness … talk about 3-D chess, we are in the midst of a game that IMO needs to be looked at very very skeptically.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 Mar 2018, 05:33

What a fool I was! I never would have suspected...it was the military industrial complex all along!

Why didn’t you explain it before?

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 09 Mar 2018, 06:10

Boy, it’s a good thing nobody’s getting rich off the war machine in Russia!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 09 Mar 2018, 08:34

Sneelock wrote:Boy, it’s a good thing nobody’s getting rich off the war machine in Russia!



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Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 Mar 2018, 09:49

Woah! Look at that blue line! You can almost see the Iraq and Afghanistan wars!!!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 09 Mar 2018, 15:43

Jimbo wrote:
Sneelock wrote:Boy, it’s a good thing nobody’s getting rich off the war machine in Russia!



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and I suppose this somehow proves that nobody, and I mean nobody is getting rich off the war machine in Russia.
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Postby Wally Bingbang » 09 Mar 2018, 17:51

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 09 Mar 2018, 17:54

George Soros!!!! I KNEW it!!!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Wally Bingbang » 09 Mar 2018, 18:00

All the people on this Chuck Woolery twitter thread threatening to cancel their Netflix accounts are cracking me up...

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Postby kalowski II: The Revenge » 09 Mar 2018, 18:11

So it turns out that if you want to talk to despicable despots all you need to do is elect one.

Magnificent game management from the American voters!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Former President Barack Obama is currently in advance negotiations with Netflix to produce a series of shows through them. This will give the former President easy access into the living rooms of virtually every American in order to spread whatever propaganda he wants.

The fiend! Imagine Obama, being on TV, having access to our attention. The mind reels.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 09 Mar 2018, 23:58



Obama ripped by the right? :o Here he is ripped by the left for building his Presidential library on the south side of Chicago without a care for the effects of the gentrification, i.e., rising rents in the area, especially when some many residents are poor.
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Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Mar 2018, 00:22

If someone accused Putin of being deaf to cries of Russia gentrification...I bet you wouldn’t make a peep.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Mar 2018, 00:32

"We're building the Trump library right here in New York City, folks. It's going to be the greatest library ever, believe me. The rents might go up, and some people might be concerned about that, but fuck 'em!"
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 10 Mar 2018, 00:56

Donald Trump could pull a hamburger out of his crotch and take a bite out of it and I doubt anybody would be very surprised by it. I'm not saying it would go unmentioned but it wouldn't really freak anybody out. People freak out over Obama getting a goddam TV show and opening a goddam library.

Donald Trump could show up with a chicken in one hand and a bowling trophy in the other. we would talk about it but would we really be surprised at this point?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Mar 2018, 01:01

In fairness, I’m mildly surprised at how tone-deaf Obama’s been on the gentrification issue. Not that he’s wrong, but he generally does a better job of making the other side feel heard.

Gentrification is a complex subject. Leaving neighborhoods to fester isn’t good. But developing them and pricing the locals out is also problematic.

But I’m not sure why Jimbo felt it belonged on a Trump thread.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Mar 2018, 01:14

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:But I’m not sure why Jimbo felt it belonged on a Trump thread.


Really? C'mon - you know exactly why!
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