President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 07 Mar 2018, 23:41

Dr Markus wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:Communists have also used violence to curtail speech and shut down events. So have monarchists, so have Republicans and Democrats. It's not limited to fascist leaders.

To answer what I think Markus is getting at, I think there are times when people have to put their backs against the gears and levers of the machine and make it stop. People who want to bring Hitler's ideas back to modern life need to be stopped. I have no interest in arguing them out of their moral position. I just want them stopped.



So you approve of violence like antifa does to achieve this? A yes or no answer please.


I don't have a rundown of their recent activity so it's hard to comment on what they are doing that meets the standard of "violence".

Protest involving shutdown of buildings and damge to property, resulting in those Nazi speakers being run out of town on a rail? Hells yes.

Injury to people? That's tougher to defend. BUT Let's not forget that Charlottesville culminated in the murder of a counter protester. That's not comparable to Richard Spencer getting punched in the face on national TV. The latter is a violent act, but it may serve to prevent violence once all these newly empowered asshole racists get the message that if they talk that shit in the public square, there is a very high likelihood of getting punched in the face for it.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Dr Markus » 07 Mar 2018, 23:50

No, that's grand you answered the question that i asked. Cool.

See, i don't think that was so bad. We had a debate, it was civil-ish, and it came to a natural end. Noone suddenly became right wing, as far as i know. That's all i wanted, a bit of debate.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby clive gash » 07 Mar 2018, 23:53

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 07 Mar 2018, 23:53

Dr Markus wrote:Noone suddenly became right wing...


*crosses fingers, holds breath*
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 07 Mar 2018, 23:54

nev gash wrote:Mrs Brown You’ve Got A Lovely Daughter (But She’s Not Quite Aryan Enough For Me)


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Copehead » 08 Mar 2018, 00:01

Count Machuki wrote:
Dr Markus wrote:Noone suddenly became right wing...


*crosses fingers, holds breath*
come on come on come on


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 08 Mar 2018, 00:03

Dr Markus wrote:No, that's grand you answered the question that i asked. Cool.

See, i don't think that was so bad. We had a debate, it was civil-ish, and it came to a natural end. Noone suddenly became right wing, as far as i know. That's all i wanted, a bit of debate.


Try going on one of their websites and post some Bono quotes and ask "what do you think of this" if you want to get a taste for their debating style. They'll give you something to think about.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 08 Mar 2018, 00:05

seroiusly, I have to talk to kids about this stuff. they say "Trump is an idiot" on Facebook and they can get flooded with "we know where you live" crap. these people aren't out for a discussion - they are out to inspire fear.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 08 Mar 2018, 00:06

bobzilla77 wrote: Call me squishy on the rule of law but that's where I'm at.


Okay, so you've broken a few windows, punched a few of the assholes in the nose but they're still here. This low level vigilantism ain't working. How about we start rounding them up and putting them in concentration camps?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 08 Mar 2018, 00:10

Not concentration camps - courts of law.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 08 Mar 2018, 00:11

Sneelock wrote:Not concentration camps - courts of law.


Insert "the first amendment gives me the right to yell 'fire' in a crowded theater" argument here.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 08 Mar 2018, 00:12

Black Lives Matter WISHES they could get treated by the police the way self described fascists do in the streets of America.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 08 Mar 2018, 00:36

Jimbo wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote: Call me squishy on the rule of law but that's where I'm at.


Okay, so you've broken a few windows, punched a few of the assholes in the nose but they're still here. This low level vigilantism ain't working. How about we start rounding them up and putting them in concentration camps?


How about we confiscate your paycheck from the Russian government who is paying you to post this shit?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 08 Mar 2018, 00:53

bobzilla77 wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote: Call me squishy on the rule of law but that's where I'm at.


Okay, so you've broken a few windows, punched a few of the assholes in the nose but they're still here. This low level vigilantism ain't working. How about we start rounding them up and putting them in concentration camps?


How about we confiscate your paycheck from the Russian government who is paying you to post this shit?


C'mon, bro. Who killed more fascists than the Russians? Which country lost more lives fighting the fascists? Any anti-fa poseur worth his salt should be extolling Russia, but nah, you're a pussy and a coward and a phony and an ignoramus.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 08 Mar 2018, 00:58

Jimbo wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Okay, so you've broken a few windows, punched a few of the assholes in the nose but they're still here. This low level vigilantism ain't working. How about we start rounding them up and putting them in concentration camps?


How about we confiscate your paycheck from the Russian government who is paying you to post this shit?


C'mon, bro. Who killed more fascists than the Russians? Which country lost more lives fighting the fascists? Any anti-fa poseur worth his salt should be extolling Russia, but nah, you're a pussy and a coward and a phony and an ignoramus.


That's fucked up, Jimbo.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 08 Mar 2018, 01:01

:o

Well you sure told me.

It's like you love Russia so much you want to make out with it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 08 Mar 2018, 01:16

just a picture of Carter Page's (different) hat

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 08 Mar 2018, 01:17

Count Machuki wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:
How about we confiscate your paycheck from the Russian government who is paying you to post this shit?


C'mon, bro. Who killed more fascists than the Russians? Which country lost more lives fighting the fascists? Any anti-fa poseur worth his salt should be extolling Russia, but nah, you're a pussy and a coward and a phony and an ignoramus.


That's fucked up, Jimbo.


Yeah, WWII was a bitch. Unless … you think I was too harsh on little Bobby.


Wow, you really are an employee of the Russian troll factory!!!


Oh no, Jimbo's communications are cut off!! That happened to a lot of RUSSIAN ROBOTS this morning. Coincidence or CONSPIRACY?!?


That's why I think Jimbo is an employee of the Russian troll farms.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 08 Mar 2018, 01:25

You been cuttin’ back on the herb Jimbo?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 08 Mar 2018, 01:35

Snarfyguy wrote:I'm going to try to veer this thread back on course.

A round-up, some of it apparently straying rather deep into Jimbo territory:

https://twitter.com/gregolear/status/97 ... 234e67fa3c



nice try. sorry I keep going along with the Off Topic Flow as I'm wont to do. this is heavy stuff - put on the fishing boots.
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