Jimbo wrote:Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Jimbo wrote:look at how John Stewart and others mocked CNN. "Fake news" wasn't a term then but still, The Daily Show with its nation-wide reach often ripped CNN. And I'm not defending Trump's blustering but I am defending Trump's criticism. Go back and see what Stewart said. CNN did and does suck
Stewart’s criticism of CNN and other new outlets was generally centered on their timidity and their willingness to join the pack in propagating lazy media memes.
Trump’s critique is that they aren’t timid enough. He thinks they should stop asking questions he doesn’t like and just act as state news.
Stewart’s critique was valid. Trump’s is un-American....and I don’t know what to say about you for conflating them.
No. Trump is calling them out for the same reasons you cited, timidity and joining the media pack. They're still pushing the Russia meme
So your contention is that the news shouldn’t report on the Mueller investigation?
Let’s be clear Jimbo. It’s one thing for you to be so gullible about the slop that folks in the Parry/Greenwald/Assange/Vanden Huevel are dishing out. You are going to be embarrassed about that later - but that’s neither here nor there. But there are some basic indisputable facts that have happened that ARE news:
- A joint statement was made by the US intelligence community concluding that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election. This IS legitimate news (regardless of how many agencies were actively involved in those findings, verses the others that assessed the findings credible enough to sign on).
2. Trump fired Comey and then stated that he was motivated by the Russia investigation. This IS news.
3. Michael Flynn did seek to undercut President Obama’s Russia policy during the transition. This IS news.
4. Paul Manafort did have to register as a foreign agent retroactively.
5. Donald Trump Jr. did send an email stating “I love it” and scheduled a meeting with someone representing themselves as a conduit for the Russian government. This IS news.
6. In addition to those already mentioned, Jeff Sessions, Carter Page, George Papadapolous and several others involved in Trump’s campaign are all exposed as having lied about having contact with Russia. This Is news.
7. Bob Mueller was brought in to conduct an investigation. This is news.
8. The house and the senate are conducting investigations. This is news.
9. Subpoenas have gone out to Steve Vannin and other. This Is news.
I could go on and on.
It is one thing to create a counter-narrative about what all of these data points mean, or to investigate them individually and feel like you have reasons to doubt some aspect of them. But all of the above are stories that demand to be reported.
John Stewart would not criticize CNN for reporting them. Donald Trump does.