President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 18:44

Jimbo wrote:
toomanyhatz wrote:And your point is? He raises funds from the wrong people?

I'm glad you're on the case taking on finance reform. :roll:


Go back to gumming your oatmeal. Wrong people? What, are you Mitt Romney all of a sudden? "Corporations are people my friends." :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


And Bernie has never taken a cent from a corporation?

Yep - corporate financing is out of control completely. Needs to be changed. How do we change it?

Your response to the problem seems to be "let's attack the person I'm trying to make a point about first, 'cause that's the most important thing."

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2018, 19:08

toomanyhatz wrote:
And Bernie has never taken a cent from a corporation?



:lol: It looks like he hasn't. I mean I had to check and what he has in his coffers is laughably little.

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of- ... cycle=2018
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 12 Feb 2018, 19:11

Bernie took more from big pharma in the last few years than Corey Booker.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 19:32

Did you watch that video you posted all the way through? It gets really good around 8:30.

I disagree with some of what he says ("terrible on..." is a relative term when the current standard is Trump), but he's absolutely right on the money on combating the worst offenders before the ones that most egregiously fail your purity test.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 19:48

And Bernie has taken money from Bayer, who are not just a corporation, but a truly evil one who made their fortune marketing heroin to children.

I am saying this not to criticize Bernie, or to be a tat for your tit. I'm saying the person that passes your purity test is not likely going to have any power to accomplish anything.

Maybe Bernie is in cahoots with Bayer because he thinks it'll help get low-cost aids medicine to his constituents. Maybe there's a Bayer executive who supports his agenda. Whatever - you know the saying "politics make strange bedfellows?"

As one who actually has to live here, I can assure you I was a whole hell of a lot more confident in the direction the country was going in two years ago. And I assure you it's not because Kaine took corporate donations.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 12 Feb 2018, 19:53

As one who actually has to live here, I can assure you I was a whole hell of a lot more confident in the direction the country was going in two years ago. And I assure you it's not because Kaine took corporate donations.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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toomanyhatz wrote:And Bernie has taken money from Bayer.


Bernie took more from big pharma in the last few years than Corey Booker.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 20:07

Bayer is in the link YOU provided! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 20:10

And again, if you think proof is the issue, you are fighting the wrong battle once again. Read once again what I wrote above.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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toomanyhatz wrote:Bayer is in the link YOU provided! :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol:

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 12 Feb 2018, 21:26

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Bernie took more from big pharma in the last few years than Corey Booker.


And that's saying something considering how many pharma companies are headquartered or have major offices in New Jersey.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 12 Feb 2018, 23:07

sloopjohnc wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Bernie took more from big pharma in the last few years than Corey Booker.


And that's saying something considering how many pharma companies are headquartered or have major offices in New Jersey.


In fairness (and in the name of intellectual honesty) - he ran for President, so he racked up big numbers from them in 2016.

But the point is: The selective vapors that Jimbo and most of the dummies he listens to get around the fact that politicians take donations are tedious. In the end they just pull shit like this out to attack the ones they don’t like, and pretend not to see the donations going to the ones they do like.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 12 Feb 2018, 23:23

sloopjohnc wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Bernie took more from big pharma in the last few years than Corey Booker.


And that's saying something considering how many pharma companies are headquartered or have major offices in New Jersey.

I used to know this kid from Nutley, NJ in the 80s and he said the 10 mg Va***um was basically an unofficial unit of currency back then. (Roche used to have a manufacturing plant in that town and I gather people who worked there must have been stealing like crazy.)
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 23:35

Plus, the implication of "so what did they owe these corporations for this money they accepted?" as constituting any kind of proof is ridiculous on its face. You have to prove actual wrongdoing, you can't just imply it because you don't like who they accepted money from.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
sloopjohnc wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Bernie took more from big pharma in the last few years than Corey Booker.


And that's saying something considering how many pharma companies are headquartered or have major offices in New Jersey.


In fairness (and in the name of intellectual honesty) - he ran for President, so he racked up big numbers from them in 2016.


I agree - they play politicians like roulette, betting on red and black.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 13 Feb 2018, 04:01

Count Machuki wrote:
toomanyhatz wrote:Bayer is in the link YOU provided! :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol:

Classic.


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You can knit pick at my stumbles if you like but I and the one other BCBer who from time to time bucks me up via PM knows what I'm on about. Fortunately there are other good folks out here who know too. Just read this heartening bit by Caitlin Johnstone on Consortium News about "gaslighting" and she concludes with this bit.

Your own educated best guess about what is going on in the world is infinitely superior to placing unquestioning faith in an establishment which has a vested interest in lying to you and a demonstrable history of doing so. Trust yourself and have full confidence that your conclusions, however imperfect, are always superior to those of known liars and manipulators.

Never, ever let anyone bully and cajole you for being skeptical of mainstream narratives instead of believing the say-so of malignant deceivers. Trust yourself. You are not being crazy, you are behaving logically. Don’t let them gaslight you.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 13 Feb 2018, 04:38

Yes, hear hear for Jimbo's Educated Best Guess. Superior method!

Don't know what's going on? Take en educated best guess! Surely guessing shit will get us all the way over the top. Who doesn't like having their biases confirmed?

There is no narrative here except for general distrust of everything you hear on the news. That's the kind of thing a paid Russian troll would want you to believe.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 13 Feb 2018, 04:40

Also: way to change the subject dude!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 13 Feb 2018, 05:25

Imagine the folks on the Consortium News telling their readership not to pay too much mind if the facts don’t stack up!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 13 Feb 2018, 13:02

sloopjohnc wrote: I agree - they play politicians like roulette, betting on red and black.


Well, lookie there, Cletus. Red again!

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