President Donald J. Trump

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 07:33

So let me get this straight - you hate Hillary because she picked a running mate who has personally expressed anti-abortion views, but is not actively fighting to reverse Roe vs. Wade (as both Trump and Pence are), whose voting record is generally progressive (pro gun-control, opposed Keystone Pipeline, consistently pro-marriage equality, opposes minimum sentences for non-violent drug offenders, pro-dreamer), who is, if anything, generally thought to be to the LEFT of Hillary?

How's the borscht tasting?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 07:51

Also, it's Kaine.

Like your "sources," you don't have the greatest credibility when you can't even get the basic facts right.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2018, 12:02

Little Tim Kaine Is the Big Donors’ Best Friend
Just what we need in a Hillary Clinton White House.
By David Dayen
August 5, 2016

https://newrepublic.com/article/135826/ ... est-friend

Ah, now I know why she chose Kaine. My reaction was to the clunkiness of the choice, kind of like in The Last Waltz when Robbie brought on Neil Diamond. But now it makes sense, especially now when we've learned so much more of Hillary's avarice.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 12 Feb 2018, 15:06

If that article was about Russia. You’d question it.

See how you are?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2018, 16:10

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:If that article was about Russia. You’d question it.


Prior to reading the article I read Kaine's page at Open Secrets and he does have a knack for bringing in the big bucks. Then I went and found an article with a title that might confirm my suspicion and wasn't from NewsMax or FOX. Bingo. Dayen is a solid liberal and it seems like clean cut Kaine ain't as clean as Hatz thinks he is.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 12 Feb 2018, 16:51

Politician raises funds. Film at 11.

If he sold a house to a Russian oligarch for 20 times its value - you’d view it as totally insignificant.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 17:42

Jimbo wrote:Kaine ain't as clean as Hatz thinks he is.


Your hero taught you well. Truth by implication.

Please show me, either a) where I referred to Kaine as "clean." or b) some hard evidence of some nefarious thing that he actually did that compares even vaguely with how many lives Trump ruins before he's done with his breakfast.

While you're at it, perhaps you might also go about how you think we should punish people for taking money from people we don't approve of.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby The Modernist » 12 Feb 2018, 17:57

Jimbo wrote: Then I went and found an article with a title that might confirm my suspicion


That's your approach all over. Decide your stance on something and then find articles to confirm your initial thoughts. Ignore where those articles come from and ignore any other sources that tell a different story.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Diamond Dog » 12 Feb 2018, 18:01

Confirmation bias.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 12 Feb 2018, 18:11

The Modernist wrote:
Jimbo wrote: Then I went and found an article with a title that might confirm my suspicion


That's your approach all over. Decide your stance on something and then find articles to confirm your initial thoughts. Ignore where those articles come from and ignore any other sources that tell a different story.


The site Jimbo references is very reputable. It's run by the Center for Responsive Politics, is non-partisan, and traces money and lobbying to politicians. Let's not throw the whole baby out with the bathwater.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2018, 18:11



Here's one for your team, Michael Brooks taking down Jimmy Dore. What struck me is when he said how outrage sells and maybe, stupidly, that is a thing that probably attracts me to Dore. But Brook's (and Sam Sedar's) snark and sarcasm doesn't excite me either. But the messengers' delivery is a low priority. I got his point. Nonetheless, I still empathize mostly with Dore's basic message and that is that the system is broken and the biggest problem is the money, which Kaine among many others have no problem with. If money in politics is the system's biggest problem and the guys on our team are playing along, it's like Pete Rose gambling on baseball when he is in the game. You want to keep players like Rose out of the game and then make stricter rules going forward. But the Dems don't learn. What Bernie did by taking money from voters and not big corporations is the model Dore and TYT endorse and is the model the Dems need to endorse if they want to win. Instead they bring on young Kennedy who flopped the first time out of the gate. Not only is he a corporate funded Dem he is a phony - or came off as a phony. It's the phoniness Labowski! Trump won by lying but he lied good. Straight talk, issues and insults. He got 'em like Jimmy Dore got me. But Dore isn't lying. He's an idealist and gets carried away sometimes.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2018, 18:15

The Modernist wrote:
Jimbo wrote: Then I went and found an article with a title that might confirm my suspicion


That's your approach all over. Decide your stance on something and then find articles to confirm your initial thoughts. Ignore where those articles come from and ignore any other sources that tell a different story.


No, if I wanted to insult the Democrats I would go to Trump favoring outlets like FOX. Loads of anti-liberal bits there. I specifically said I went to a liberal venue, David Dayen is a famous writer for the liberal side. If a smart liberal or free thinker can confirm my point then I use his or her point.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 18:21

And your point is? He raises funds from the wrong people?

I'm glad you're on the case taking on finance reform. :roll:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2018, 18:25

toomanyhatz wrote:And your point is? He raises funds from the wrong people?

I'm glad you're on the case taking on finance reform. :roll:


Go back to gumming your oatmeal. Wrong people? What, are you Mitt Romney all of a sudden? "Corporations are people my friends." :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 12 Feb 2018, 18:32

It's the phoniness Labowski!


That's not even a quoteable line from the Big Lebowski!

Credibility issues become insurmountable.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2018, 18:35

bobzilla77 wrote:
It's the phoniness Labowski!


That's not even a quoteable line from the Big Lebowski!


Duh.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 18:44

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toomanyhatz wrote:And your point is? He raises funds from the wrong people?

I'm glad you're on the case taking on finance reform. :roll:


Go back to gumming your oatmeal. Wrong people? What, are you Mitt Romney all of a sudden? "Corporations are people my friends." :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


And Bernie has never taken a cent from a corporation?

Yep - corporate financing is out of control completely. Needs to be changed. How do we change it?

Your response to the problem seems to be "let's attack the person I'm trying to make a point about first, 'cause that's the most important thing."

How's the weather in St. Petersburg? Oh, cold and cloudy I see. Hope you've got your winter coat.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2018, 19:08

toomanyhatz wrote:
And Bernie has never taken a cent from a corporation?



:lol: It looks like he hasn't. I mean I had to check and what he has in his coffers is laughably little.

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of- ... cycle=2018
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 12 Feb 2018, 19:11

Bernie took more from big pharma in the last few years than Corey Booker.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 12 Feb 2018, 19:32

Did you watch that video you posted all the way through? It gets really good around 8:30.

I disagree with some of what he says ("terrible on..." is a relative term when the current standard is Trump), but he's absolutely right on the money on combating the worst offenders before the ones that most egregiously fail your purity test.
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