President Donald J. Trump

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Feb 2018, 01:50

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 10 Feb 2018, 02:34

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Fucking hell...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/electi ... n_20180207


There is no evidence that any of the registration rolls were altered in any fashion, according to U.S. officials.


Catch a grip, son. Even if ... I still contend that we do miles more fuckery ourselves than any foreign snoops may do ... or have done.

The Election Was Stolen – Here’s How… http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.


Had the Russians done this then I'd be with you, Davey, but is the piddly shit they (may) have done worth all the attention, all the hair pulling, all the international ill will it's generated? I think not. If Hillary had won she'd have just told the Russians to "Cut it out," and that would be the end of their shenanigans.

And backing up the article you posted - but not ... It seems, according to Palast again, Ohio officials turned off the hacking protection of the voting machines.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Feb 2018, 03:21

Ok...check me on this. This is ACTUALLY your argument?

You are saying:

- We’ve done worse, so “oh well.”

And

- Republicans purge people from voter rolls so “oh well.”

Basically, you are fine with anything a foreign government does to our democracy because you think we’re unworthy of democracy.

Is that your position in a nutshell?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 10 Feb 2018, 03:26

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Basically, you are fine with anything a foreign government does to our democracy because you think we’re unworthy of democracy.


Not fine but not freaking out neither. Or I'm about as fine with it as you are with domestic fuckery. Spying is part of the game countries play. Having our own fuck with the election, that's treasonous, don't you think?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Feb 2018, 03:30

I DO think. Yes.

But if they do it under cover of the law, than the law itself is the problem.

A foreign government exerting influence on our elections is a MUCH bigger problem, for many reasons.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 10 Feb 2018, 03:36

Davey the Fat Boy wrote: A foreign government exerting influence on our elections...


Ooh. They exerted influence. :roll:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Feb 2018, 03:54

Pretend they are the Clintons. Then you might be able to get your mind around it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 10 Feb 2018, 15:05

Interesting discussion on Bill Maher's overtime.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 10 Feb 2018, 15:46

Here's Donald Trump's latest tweet:

Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused - life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?

I responded that he accused the last President of not being born in the US without proof so he's hardly one to talk.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby harvey k-tel » 10 Feb 2018, 19:49

What'd he say to that?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 11 Feb 2018, 06:54

sloopjohnc wrote:Interesting discussion on Bill Maher's overtime.



:roll:

Maher asks why coalminers stick to Trump and Republicans, Schiff, a mealy mouthed typical Dem answers in generalities like "We need to help create jobs…" (Name a job you will create, like "We will build a new interstate through Tennessee." ) "We need to treat them with respect …" Blah blah blah. "More education for your children" (Say free college tuition, fer cying out loud. Say someTHING!) "We need to work with you." The fuck does that mean???

Then Maher says Mueller needs to delay releasing the report until 1919. Two years from now?

More Russia Russia Russia … Come' on Maher. We're all over the internet. Put one hard truth telling progressive on your stupid panel.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 11 Feb 2018, 11:02

Did Assad gas his own citizens? According to General Mattis, along with "(s)erious, experienced chemical weapons experts and investigators such as Hans Blix, Scott Ritter, Gareth Porter and Theodore Postol," I think not.


Now Mattis Admits There Was No Evidence Assad Used Poison Gas On His People

By Ian Wilkie

February 09, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - Lost in the hyper-politicized hullabaloo surrounding the Nunes Memorandum and the Steele Dossier was the striking statement by Secretary of Defense James Mattis that the U.S. has “no evidence” that the Syrian government used the banned nerve agent Sarin against its own people.

This assertion flies in the face of the White House (NSC) Memorandum which was rapidly produced and declassified to justify an American Tomahawk missile strike against the Shayrat airbase in Syria...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48767.htm

I know some of your brains have been washed until they are bleached out but try and see a pattern, how one by one, in drips and drabs the lies you have been told are sooner or later - or too late - exposed. All the "respectable" sources like the mainstream news, politicians, TV personalities, etc., are proven liars. Rachael Maddow is a fucking liar, just like FOX News, Bill Mahre, Amy Goodman, BBC. No shit, the most straight forward news now is RT. Not great on intra-Russia news, granted, but very reliable source on war and peace issues.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 11 Feb 2018, 13:25

Seriously? You think the media arm of the Russian government is our most reliable source of international news?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 11 Feb 2018, 13:32

Sneelock wrote:Seriously? You think the media arm of the Russian government is our most reliable source of international news?
Maybe bobzilla is right. How tall is the. Corn on that troll farm?


Okay, don't watch it. Read Consortium News or Truth Dig instead - unless you feel Putin is writing the script for them, too. But have you ever watched it or were you scared off by Rachel Maddow? RT has Ed Schultz, Tom Hartmann, Lee Camp and King Pinko himself, Larry King. And you don't think US media is biased, not just the by the government but by "The Good Governance Folks" at Raytheon, General Electric and Chase Manhattan.

And I don't watch RT exclusively, of course, but when I do, looking for info about, say, the war in Syria, RT is right on.

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Many of Trump’s political opponents remain tethered to the eventual emergence of proof that his campaign colluded with the Russian government in order to win the presidency. But the evidentiary basis so far for Russiagate is thin, to say the least. Meanwhile, the relentless pursuit of this narrative above all else has had dangerous consequences.


Rachel Maddow, the top-rated cable-news host who covers Russiagate more than all other issues combined, has speculated that Putin was responsible for the hiring of Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson; is inducing Trump to “weaken” the State Department and “bleed out” the FBI; and, via the infamous “pee tape” alleged by Steele, may blackmail Trump into withdrawing US forces near Russia’s border,
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https://www.thenation.com/article/what- ... ussiagate/
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 11 Feb 2018, 14:58

Russia good ‘cause Rachel bad.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 11 Feb 2018, 17:57

Sneelock wrote:Seriously? You think the media arm of the Russian government is our most reliable source of international news?
Maybe bobzilla is right. How tall is the corn on that troll farm?



Yuuuuup.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby bobzilla77 » 11 Feb 2018, 18:00

And I don't watch RT exclusively, of course, but when I do, looking for info about, say, the war in Syria, RT is right on.


Without spending time in Syria you can't possibly know that.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 11 Feb 2018, 23:32

Sneelock wrote:Russia good ‘cause Rachel bad.
Got it.


Do I see here an acknowledgement that Rachael is "bad?" If so, then you and I have a big problem about whom to believe. I was a huge fan of hers a while back. As I was of Keith Olbermann. But they've lost credibility IMO due especially to their over-reportage about Russia supposedly hacking our democracy. Not because Russia is "good," but because we deserve unbiased and critical reports from our media based upon truth and facts and balance. Rachael is now the left wing Stephen Colbert (the truthiness character) and reporting from her gut. She can feel the collusion. Sure she can paste lots of dots on the board which tangentially connect Trump to Putin but has so far failed to connect them. Meanwhile there are outlets doing the same, assembling the dots but keeping and putting shit in perspective. Uncannily often where they find shit Russia is supposedly doing they find that we do the same, or worse. Is that "what-about-ism" or is that keeping shit real?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 12 Feb 2018, 03:50

From what I can see Jimbo, you only have a few convictions:

- Russia is always good.

- The Democratic Party is always wrong.

- The handful of progressive alternative news outlets you like are always right (except when they contradict each other. Then the most progressive is right).

- Bernie

- Everyone would vote like you if Hillary would let them.

That seems to be it. You have no meaningful rationale for why everyone is so mean to your boy Putin. Just some vague drooling about deep state weapon profiteering that you can’t substantiate.

I don’t get how you even take yourself seriously.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 12 Feb 2018, 04:52

You know I didn't hate Hillary at first, after she'd beaten Bernie, of course. My wife and I watched her debate and looked at each other from time to time impressed with how tough, how professionally she came off. But then when she went and chose that anti-abortion doofus Tim Caine to be her VP. It was as if Jane had chosen Cheeta instead of Tarzan to be her mate. Doomed we were from then on. Or maybe Putin made her choose Caine. :?
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