Former President Donald J. Trump
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kath,
I definitely worry about North Korea and nukes (and Trump in general with nukes). But Parry’s argument is that our investigations of Trump’s Russia problem could cause WWIII because of anti-Russia sentiment.
It’s a patently ridiculous argument, as Russia has never been as popular in America as it is now since it became a GOP booster club.
I definitely worry about North Korea and nukes (and Trump in general with nukes). But Parry’s argument is that our investigations of Trump’s Russia problem could cause WWIII because of anti-Russia sentiment.
It’s a patently ridiculous argument, as Russia has never been as popular in America as it is now since it became a GOP booster club.
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This link seems apropos today...but it’s not just a problem because of the right wing media. There’s an entire ecosystem of bullshit targeting leftys like Jimbo.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... mic-crisis
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... mic-crisis
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This. THIS is how I feel. Robert Sheer packs it all in there. Russia, Democrats, Republicans, McCarthyism, fake news, Trump, Clinton, Putin, CIA, nationalism, Communism, North Korea, WWIII, China, immigration, the internet, NYT, WAPO … whew!
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41854482
Going out in style.
Twitter employee 'deactivated' Trump account on last day
Going out in style.
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the White House signs off on a government report acknowledging the human factor in climate change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/clim ... eport.html
does this mean we WILL join the Paris accord?
does this mean global warming is NOT a plot of the Chinese?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/clim ... eport.html
does this mean we WILL join the Paris accord?
does this mean global warming is NOT a plot of the Chinese?
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Sneelock wrote:the White House signs off on a government report acknowledging the human factor in climate change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/clim ... eport.html
does this mean we WILL join the Paris accord?
does this mean global warming is NOT a plot of the Chinese?
It means whoever approved the release of that report is in BIG TROUBLE!
Try this on on for size:
Trump administration recommends uranium mining in the Grand Canyon
The move would raise no additional revenue but would put drinking water for millions at risk.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-adminis ... 9e04080d5/
And there are dozens of other, equally disheartening stories, emerging every day!
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The latest cluster bomb from Parry is loaded with Russia myth debunking bomb-lets.
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/11/06/l ... carthyism/
The anti-Russian madness has reached such extremes that even when you say something that’s obviously true – but that RT, the Russian television network, also reported – you are attacked for spreading “Russian propaganda.” ...We saw that when former Democratic National Committee chairwoman Donna Brazile disclosed in her new book that she considered the possibility of replacing Hillary Clinton on the Democratic ticket after Clinton’s public fainting spell and worries about her health.
Though there was a video of Clinton’s collapse on Sept. 11, 2016, followed by her departure from the campaign trail to fight pneumonia – not to mention her earlier scare with blood clots – the response from a group of 100 Clinton supporters was to question Brazile’s patriotism: “It is particularly troubling and puzzling that she would seemingly buy into false Russian-fueled propaganda, spread by both the Russians and our opponents about our candidate’s health.”
In other words, the go-to excuse for everything these days is to blame the Russians and smear anyone who says anything – no matter how true – if it also was reported on RT
Just as Sen. Joe McCarthy liked to haul suspected “communists” and “fellow-travelers” before his committee in the 1950s, the New McCarthyism has its own witch-hunt hearings, such as last week’s Senate grilling of executives from Facebook, Twitter and Google for supposedly allowing Russians to have input into the Internet’s social networks.
The U.S. government fields legions of publicists, propagandists, paid journalists, psy-ops specialists, contractors and non-governmental organizations to promote Washington’s positions and undermine rivals through information warfare.
The CIA has an entire bureaucracy dedicated to propaganda and disinformation, with some of those efforts farmed out to newer entities such as the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) or paid for by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). NATO has a special command in Latvia that undertakes “strategic communications.”
Israel is another skilled player in this field,
Twitter’s attorney also said the company conducted a separate analysis from information provided by unidentified “third party sources” who pointed toward accounts supposedly controlled by the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency (IRA), totaling 2,752 accounts…And, to put that number in some perspective, Twitter claims 330 million active monthly users, which makes the 2,752 accounts less than 0.001 percent of the total.
Social media also was a favorite of the U.S. government in Ukraine in 2013-14 when the Maidan protests exploited these platforms to help destabilize and ultimately overthrow the elected government of Ukraine, the key event that launched the New Cold War with Russia.
Indeed, one argument for believing that Putin and the Kremlin might have “meddled” in last year’s U.S. election is that they could have felt it was time to give the United States a taste of its own medicine.
the emails were not “disinformation”; they were both real and, in many cases, newsworthy. The DNC emails provided evidence that the DNC unethically tilted the playing field in favor of Clinton and against Sen. Bernie Sanders, a point that Brazile also discovered in reviewing staffing and financing relationships that Clinton had with the DNC under the prior chairwoman, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
the U.S. mainstream narrative has shifted, in part, because the evidence of Russian election “meddling” was so shaky. Under intense congressional pressure to find something, Facebook reported $100,000 in allegedly “Russian-linked” ads purchased in 2015-17, but noted that only 44 percent were bought before the election…the storyline was transformed into some vague Russian scheme to exacerbate social tensions in the United States by taking different sides of hot-button issues, such as police brutality against blacks [and} The estimate of how many Americans may have seen one of these “Russian-linked” ads also keeps growing, now up to as many as 126 million or about one-third of the U.S. population. Of course, the way the Internet works – with any item possibly going viral – you might as well say the ads could have reached billions of people.
Did Putin conspire with Trump to extend a bloody war as Nixon did with the South Vietnamese leaders? Did Putin lengthen the captivity of U.S. hostages to give Trump a political edge? Did Putin manipulate U.S. policy in the Middle East to entice President George W. Bush to invade Iraq and set the region ablaze, as Israel’s Netanyahu did? Is Putin even now pushing for wider Mideast wars, as Netanyahu is?
Why? The answer seems to be the widespread hatred for President Trump combined with vested interests in favor of whipping up the New Cold War.
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/11/06/l ... carthyism/
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Tuesday was very encouraging. I’m glad so many people got out to vote. There’s no substitute for that especially since it looks like a lot of TRUMP voters are not, in any way, questioning their support.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ers-215800
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ers-215800
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^^^ That Trump tweet about Gillespie. *eye roll*
"Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for."
WTF, the guy lost by being a Trump proxy - and then the boss throws him down the stairs. If there such a thing as karma I hope it gets here by next year.
"Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for."
WTF, the guy lost by being a Trump proxy - and then the boss throws him down the stairs. If there such a thing as karma I hope it gets here by next year.
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That mini election yesterday was a great result for the Dems (and the world). Keep it up! Win more seats next year, impeach the cunt and throw his kids in jail*
*except Barron
*except Barron
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Barron might grow up to be a great American. I mean, stranger things have happened.
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You might want to know that Trump is not doing too bad of a job here in Asia on this trip. He hasn't been overly obnoxious and, well, he may come away with some deals or something. He seems to be acting pretty presidential.
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Sneelock wrote:Barron might grow up to be a great American. I mean, stranger things have happened.
He's good with the cyber.
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Jimbo wrote:You might want to know that Trump is not doing too bad of a job here in Asia on this trip. He hasn't been overly obnoxious and, well, he may come away with some deals or something. He seems to be acting pretty presidential.
Sure, all he has to do is bask in their praise. He’s a world class basker!
It seems to me that China and Japan have rich histories of lavishing visitors with pageantry and little else. TRUMP loves flattery. He’s getting plenty of that but I’m not sure America will be getting much out of it. We’ll see.
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It does give you a real appreciation for Americas power on the global stage when you see hardened leaders and politicians co-towing to this provincial moron. It's a reminder if you ever needed one of Americas influence despite the weak leadership.
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Jimbo wrote:You might want to know that Trump is not doing too bad of a job here in Asia on this trip. He hasn't been overly obnoxious and, well, he may come away with some deals or something. He seems to be acting pretty presidential.
Daily Kos: "Trump doesn't talk to the press—because China told him to shut up
Donald Trump is tougher at a distance. His speech on North Korea notably dropped the mentions of “little Rocketman” and “fire and fury” once Trump himself was in artillery range. Arriving in China, Trump replaced the vocal criticism of Chinese trading practices with equally loud praise, saying “I don’t blame China” for gaining the upper hand in trade deals and “I give China great credit.”
Asked about this sudden turnaround by reporters, Trump said … nothing. Because Trump didn’t allow reporters to ask any questions."
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1 ... #read-more
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Snarfyguy wrote:
This joke is a lie.
Media: lying - largely true, especially by omission - the shit they don't tell you, man!
Mueller: lying - probably true, that's how prosecutors win
Comey: lying - The FBI lying?
Obama: lying - sure and war mongering and selling out to Wall Street.
Clinton: lying -
Sex assault accusers: lying - probably not but could happen.
Climate Scientists: lying - Probably not.
Doctors: lying - probably not but a large majority prefer single payer.
Mother of slain soldier: lying - no, but when Trump said that that is what her son signed up for that was true too. If we only knew what the fuck he was doing in Niger …
Intelligence services: lying Never!
Putin: lying Sure, he's a politician but he didn't fuck with the US election, certainly not like we fucked with it ourselves and nowhere nearly like we did in Russia. It wan't Putin who beat HRC. HRC beat HRC.
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Jimbo wrote:Media: lying - largely true, especially by omission - the shit they don't tell you, man!
This is not a good defense of Trump and probably means he's even worse than we think.
Mueller: lying - probably true, that's how prosecutors win
Err, no - it's not. I'll let others with more knowledge about it than I fill you in on exactly how prosecutors win. But I'm pretty sure inventing stuff from whole cloth is generally not a good strategy.
Comey: lying - The FBI lying?
Nice rhetorical device, but there's no more substance to it than "do you really trust the FBI?" It's hearsay. A lie has to be proven, not just inferred by reputation.
Obama: lying - sure and war mongering and selling out to Wall Street.
Even if true - and your accusation is drastically oversimplified - Trump has done a million times worse. And again, there IS NOT A PRESIDENT IN HISTORY who has not been responsible for MANY innocent lives being taken. Not one. Obama is no different. Trump is no different. President Bernie would have been no different.
Clinton: lying -
Again, lots of inference. Trump's lies have been proven, again and again and again. Show me a single unbiased source that documents the lies of both and concludes that there's any comparison.
Sex assault accusers: lying - probably not but could happen.
What motivation has he given you to take his side on any issues of sexual harassment? He has not been charged with anything specific, but he has certainly displayed attitudes that create, as they say, bad optics. The POSSIBILITY that some of them MIGHT be lying certainly doesn't make any kind of case for him.
Climate Scientists: lying - Probably not.
This is quite big of you to admit.
Doctors: lying - probably not but a large majority prefer single payer.
Meaning what? They have no credibility because they don't voluntarily agree to treat people for free? This is an argument you use a lot, and again it's a spectacularly weak one. Proving motivation to lie does not prove a lie.
Mother of slain soldier: lying - no, but when Trump said that that is what her son signed up for that was true too. If we only knew what the fuck he was doing in Niger …
So he told one truth in a pack of lies to the family of a soldier who'd given his life to serve his country, presumably NOT to be left for dead. So he's not so bad, right? Here's where you scream out "BENGAZI!" I'm pretty sure Hillary did not engage in any wars of words with dead soldier's families. And here's where I vomit.
Intelligence services: lying Never!
Again with the inference. I don't necessarily trust them either but if even THEY don't want to defend him, combined with everything else, I'm more likely to take their side.
Putin: lying Sure, he's a politician but he didn't fuck with the US election, certainly not like we fucked with it ourselves and nowhere nearly like we did in Russia. It wan't Putin who beat HRC. HRC beat HRC.
Again, your leap of logic skips a few steps.
Statement one - Oh, so that's a viable excuse for Trump and Putin, but the same can be said for Hillary, and - LOCK HER UP!!
Statement two - A lot of people are saying he DID fuck with the US election and you give MANY reasons why SOME of them MIGHT be lying. So what's your evidence that he didn't? What is that based on?
Statement three - "WE fucked with it? Don't know about you, but all I did was vote. I didn't fuck with ANYTHING. What's this "we" stuff?
Statement four - So we fucked with Russia's election? Not sure what you're saying here. Who's we, and what exactly are you accusing us of?
Statement five - Can't both be true? Is there a single person here (or anywhere) that has directly said it's all Russia's fault, and Clinton ran a perfect, winning campaign? I know I haven't.
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toomanyhatz wrote:A lot of people are saying [Putin] DID fuck with the US election and you give MANY reasons why SOME of them MIGHT be lying. So what's your evidence that he didn't? What is that based on?
Furthermore, what's Trump's evidence that he didn't? How is it he's able to claim first-hand knowledge that no one in his campaign was in touch with the Kremlin (especially in light of the apparent fact that that's not even the case) during the relevant time period? If he says there was no collusion at his direction, that's one thing, and I might be inclined to take it at face value, but how does he claim to know what people were doing independently of him?
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