Former President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 12 Jan 2018, 19:25

Jimbo wrote:I thought you knew. I googled it and there are guesses out there but seemingly no concrete answer, except for the guy below. As for HRC favoritism, it seems her biggest and maybe only fan in the FBI was - luckily - the guy in charge of investigating her, Strzuk. Strzuk couldn't stop Comey from making the announcement but he did what he could to soften the blow.


I’ve heard conjecture. I don’t think any of us are ever going to definitively know the internal politics of the FBI. But ultimately I think you ought to admit that you are clutching at straws here. Whether Strzuk was playing fast and loose for Clinton is unknowable to us. A word change in a statement that should never have been made in the first place doesn’t really prove anything. From the reading I’ve done, it appears that mutilple people at the bureau had a hand in crafting that language. Further - it’s unlikely that Strzuk could have forced Comey to accept the softer language without his consent. The most likely scenario is that Strzuk corrected language that might have caused trouble for the FBI by being too strong an accusation for the evidence they had.

Whatever the truth - none of it seems consistent with an FBI that was in the tank for Clinton. Had they truly been trying to elect her, they could have probably achieved it be simply not making two statements against her that they didn’t have to make.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 12 Jan 2018, 21:27

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:From the reading I’ve done, it appears that mutilple people at the bureau had a hand in crafting that language.


Exactly. It's like when a questionably appropriate ad gets published or goes on air. There were 12 ad agency people and corporate people who reviewed and approved it.

With something going public like this from the FBI, there were three or four levels of people at least who had a chance to revise, comment, and approve it. Something like this may be drafted by someone, but there is no way this doesn't get amended a gazillion times before being released. There's the writer, his or her bosses, communications people, and legal people who all take a crack at it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 12 Jan 2018, 22:06

Doesn’t Murdock own the Wall Street Journal? They just broke a story that one of TRUMP’s lawyers paid off a porn star not to talk about her relationship with TRUMP. Supposedly the payment took place just before the 2016 election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/us/t ... niels.html
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 13 Jan 2018, 00:53

Sneelock wrote:Doesn’t Murdock own the Wall Street Journal? They just broke a story that one of TRUMP’s lawyers paid off a porn star not to talk about her relationship with TRUMP. Supposedly the payment took place just before the 2016 election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/us/t ... niels.html
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And he go to be the President??? Lucky mother fucker.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 13 Jan 2018, 01:23

Sneelock wrote:Doesn’t Murdock own the Wall Street Journal? They just broke a story that one of TRUMP’s lawyers paid off a porn star not to talk about her relationship with TRUMP. Supposedly the payment took place just before the 2016 election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/us/t ... niels.html
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 13 Jan 2018, 01:29

:lol:And it’s barely Year One!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby copehead » 13 Jan 2018, 02:46

Which shithole did Trump's family emigrate from? He claims Scotland doesn't he? But I imagine it is somewhere even less salubrious.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbly » 13 Jan 2018, 12:37

Copehead wrote:Which shithole did Trump's family emigrate from? He claims Scotland doesn't he? But I imagine it is somewhere even less salubrious.


His mother is from Stornoway, he still has cousins there.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Matt Wilson » 13 Jan 2018, 17:13

I just posted this on fb, but what gets me is that no matter the weekly scandal which seems to plague the Don, his constituency doesn't give a shit whatsoever. Everything is glossed over as if it doesn't matter in the slightest. But wait when the next Democratic president is in office and watch them howl with disdain at the slightest imperfection or perceived injustice. Hypocrisy at its utmost finest.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 13 Jan 2018, 18:25

Matt Wilson wrote:I just posted this on fb, but what gets me is that no matter the weekly scandal which seems to plague the Don, his constituency doesn't give a shit whatsoever. Everything is glossed over as if it doesn't matter in the slightest. But wait when the next Democratic president is in office and watch them howl with disdain at the slightest imperfection or perceived injustice. Hypocrisy at its utmost finest.


Hypocrisy isn’t really a thing anymore.

If the Trump Presidency has had one positive effect, it is in liberating all of us from the illusion that our political debates are about anything else other than tribalism.

Trump gets away with anything with his base because he’s convinced them that he stands for them and against everyone else. That’s the whole deal.

It used to be that our President had to at least give lip service to being a President for all Americans. Trump’s ended that. The last time he ever even mused on being a President for all Americans was the night of his election victory. Seemingly though he sees being “President for all” as having authority over all. In reality, he is President of all, for his base.

We can be outraged about it, but let’s be honest. A lot of folks on the left are simply jealous. When you see some like our pal Jimbo rail harder against Democrats than Republicans here, it’s because they want what Trump supporters have - a President of all Americans for the left.

That’s what our politics have descended to. Trump’s just the first guy to ride that wave. There will be others.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 13 Jan 2018, 18:49

You're probably right, Davey. But I'm with Matt. I don't think all of us are so cynical and when I'm a captive audience and Fox is on TV, my blood truly boils. Their hypocrisy and cynicism is truly astonishing and I'm gonna keep on being mad as hell about it. I'll be holding on to my fair share of outrage for what they've done to the discourse in this country.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 13 Jan 2018, 18:59

Well I’m with you and Matt, Baron. But we’re definitely the political “out” group.

When a major political party decided to deny a sitting President the right to a vote on his Supreme Court nominee, and then the American people rewarded them for it - my faith in the American people disintegrated.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Matt Wilson » 13 Jan 2018, 19:33

Of course, but you know asswipes like Hannity and Limbaugh (is he even still around?) will be puffed up with outrage years from now regarding whatever injustices they think the current Dem pres has perpetrated on an unsuspecting country. The question should be brought up to their face "yeah, but what about....?" Every time they try that tactic. It's Orwellian doublethink. One accepts evil from one's party while condemning said practices in one's own party.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 13 Jan 2018, 19:43

It’s not even worth engaging them. They aren’t capable of good faith.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Matt Wilson » 13 Jan 2018, 20:41

I didn't type that right. It should say one condemns evil in another party when one accepts said evil in one's own party. Or something like that..

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 13 Jan 2018, 21:56

Very Stable Baron wrote:You're probably right, Davey. But I'm with Matt. I don't think all of us are so cynical and when I'm a captive audience and Fox is on TV, my blood truly boils. Their hypocrisy and cynicism is truly astonishing and I'm gonna keep on being mad as hell about it. I'll be holding on to my fair share of outrage for what they've done to the discourse in this country.


I’ve often mentioned my predicament at work - sometimes I must endure FOX News for as much as an hour at a time. About a year ago, a couple of Rachel Maddow fans tried to reason with the logic of having something on all day long that not everybody liked. This only made the FOX fans that much more dedicated to having the FOX on at all times. I think they feel like they’ve won because people are forced to listen to it even if they don’t like it.

Anyway, I’ve tried to make my peace with it. Sometimes I’ll talk back to the TV but usually I just hum a catchy tune and get on with it. This has been especially hard since “Shithole-Gate”. I swear to God, with very few exceptions, most of the pundits and “journalists” on FOX News have been PRAISING the President for the words that have been so troubling to most. They straight up agree about the state of those countries and that we don’t want people from those countries to come here.

So, I’ve been biting my tongue a lot lately. Back right after Romney lost to Obama, I was working with a right winger who happens to be someone I enjoy very much. we are about the same age so our senses of humor & pop culture references are very simpatico. He’s proved himself to be a swell guy any number of times. So, he tried to engage me on some FOX horseshit issue like New Black Panthers or ACORN or something and I decided to let him. I told him EXACTLY what I thought about the New Black Panthers or ACORN or whatever then asked HIM why the hell he trusted what FOX News had to say about anything. He narrowed his eyes and asked me what I meant. I ticked them off on the fingers of my hand - New Black Panthers, the Romney Landslide, Weapons of mass Destruction, Chandra Levy... didn’t it bother him to trust a Network that was not only consistently. Wrong but SPECTACULARLY wrong time and time again? Then something amazing happened. According to him, on each and every one of those things - I was the one who was wrong. New Black Panthers ARE on every corner, ACORN IS stealing elections for Obama, Romney WOULD have won. Iraq DID have WMD etc..

So, recently he went from supporting Ted Cruz to supporting TRUMP and he dovetailed just as effortlessly from TRUMP’s supposed unelectablitly to BREXIT proving he would win.

So, FOX is telling this guy that the president is not racist while he says racist things and he’s going right along with that. Nowadays we talk about Gilligan’s Island and The Bee Gees and avoid politics but it bothers me more than those other things did because it IS racist to discount poor, beleaguered countries as shitholes. I’d like to give a guy I like very much the benefit of the doubt but I suspect, in his heart of hearts, he understands this.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 14 Jan 2018, 00:12

But Trump is right. Those countries ARE shitholes. It's that bit of hard truth said out loud by a President which doesn't turn off a Trump supporter. Who do you root for when Groucho throws a pie in Margaret Dumont's face? "Well. I'm not going to watch that again. Groucho abused that poor woman." No, finally, a pol has stripped off the veneer of diplomatic niceties and says what he really means. Trump is telling truths and we like it. Too bad the truth teller is Trump. Bernie told similar truths and was loved for it. If Dems didn't couch their language they'd do a lot better. But couch they must because then they'd admit they're on the take and in the pockets of big donors.

I used to say that if only George Bush had said, yeah, we're fighting for oil. What, you don't need oil to run your car? Your shit don't stink? Sheeeeeit. Let's get that oil and keep it fer ourselves.

That is why I'm a Truther. Look you assholes. Face facts. There is no plane there!

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 14 Jan 2018, 00:43

Why are we letting people from those shithole countries in? Truth?
What truth, exactly? Norway is welcome!

If this is what “being a Truther” entails - you can have it. Go back to cutting and pasting. Your own posts are starting to make as much sense as a Pachinko Machine.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby copehead » 14 Jan 2018, 00:55

Jimbo wrote:But Trump is right. Those countries ARE shitholes. It's that bit of hard truth said out loud by a President which doesn't turn off a Trump supporter. ]


By those standards most of the States that voted for Trump are Shitholes too; they have crime rates, murder rates, incarceration rates, educational facilities and life expectancies that many African countries would consider a national disgrace.

And I doubt you would find any average Norwegians who would consider emigrating for Norway for a nano-second, why would they when they live in a Social democratic paradise with a huge sovereign wealth fund that looks after them from cradle to grave?

You'd get a few psychos, misfits and oddbods same as from anywhere, but the Norwegian guy I work with at the moment fell about laughing at the idea.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 14 Jan 2018, 00:59

Jimbo is a shithole.

There. Said it. Truth.
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