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Postby Snarfyguy » 25 Jun 2018, 21:21

"Trump’s ‘zero tolerance’ immigration policy is effectively dead

‘It’s going to be “catch and release” because they don’t have the detention beds,’ a formal DHS official said.


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Postby Snarfyguy » 25 Jun 2018, 21:50

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Postby toomanyhatz » 25 Jun 2018, 21:57

Also, this won't likely go very far, but it's at least nice to see:

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/19/17479232/ ... ns-migrant

The United Methodist Church is often split on political issues, having a very strong liberal AND a very strong conservative contingency - the marriage equality issue is still a big one for them, and still hasn't been settled, for example. But I think the consensus among most of the church, at least in the US, is that Sessions is clearly on the wrong side of scripture.
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Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 25 Jun 2018, 22:21

toomanyhatz wrote:Also, this won't likely go very far, but it's at least nice to see:

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/19/17479232/ ... ns-migrant

The United Methodist Church is often split on political issues, having a very strong liberal AND a very strong conservative contingency - the marriage equality issue is still a big one for them, and still hasn't been settled, for example. But I think the consensus among most of the church, at least in the US, is that Sessions is clearly on the wrong side of scripture.


The fucking Southern Baptists are distancing themselves from this shit!
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Postby Jimbo » 26 Jun 2018, 08:30

Britain in panic as Trump-Putin summit looms


http://theduran.com/britain-in-panic-as ... mit-looms/

However ham-handedly Trump does shit he is getting around to fulfilling his campaign promises.
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Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 26 Jun 2018, 15:19

SCOTUS says President had authority to enact the travel ban.

Read all about it
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 5_h315.pdf
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Postby Count Machuki » 26 Jun 2018, 21:48

LeBaron wrote:SCOTUS says President had authority to enact the travel ban.

Read all about it
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 5_h315.pdf


We never should have put Mitch McConnell on the Supreme Court OH WAIT

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Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 27 Jun 2018, 04:16

What a fucking depressing day. SCOTUS gets a chance to do the right thing and hides behind judicial minimalism and conservative orthodoxy. Reading the majority opinion, as a matter of law and analysis, it is entirely defensible. The President unquestionably has authority to do this---it's open and shut in a lot of ways and in a slightly different situation, I would probably defending the opinion on legalistic terms. But Justice Sotomayor is right. The Court allowed the President and his lawyers (who he probably hasn't listened to since) effectively launder his hate and bare animus with lawyer paper and get away with it. Roberts and Kennedy could have stepped up and said "we're not buying it," but they backed away. I often respect their restraint, but not today. They whiffed. This will be another Dred Scott, or Korematsu.

It depresses me to acknowledge judicial decisionmaking as an act of raw partisan politics, because it's not that simple. Except when it is.

And in the meantime, the President stacks the federal courts with judges far more radical than Kennedy and Roberts, so if and when all of the liberals wet dreams of majority governance come true, the federal courts will say, "not so fast." When the time comes to strike down universal healthcare or to overturn Roe v. Wade or ditch the exclusionary rule or declare the EPA unconstitutional, they won't strike out.
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Postby Jimbo » 27 Jun 2018, 04:48

LeBaron wrote:What a fucking depressing day. SCOTUS gets a chance to do the right thing and hides behind judicial minimalism and conservative orthodoxy. Reading the majority opinion, as a matter of law and analysis, it is entirely defensible. The President unquestionably has authority to do this---it's open and shut in a lot of ways and in a slightly different situation, I would probably defending the opinion on legalistic terms. But Justice Sotomayor is right. The Court allowed the President and his lawyers (who he probably hasn't listened to since) effectively launder his hate and bare animus with lawyer paper and get away with it. Roberts and Kennedy could have stepped up and said "we're not buying it," but they backed away. I often respect their restraint, but not today. They whiffed. This will be another Dred Scott, or Korematsu.

It depresses me to acknowledge judicial decisionmaking as an act of raw partisan politics, because it's not that simple. Except when it is.

And in the meantime, the President stacks the federal courts with judges far more radical than Kennedy and Roberts, so if and when all of the liberals wet dreams of majority governance come true, the federal courts will say, "not so fast." When the time comes to strike down universal healthcare or to overturn Roe v. Wade or ditch the exclusionary rule or declare the EPA unconstitutional, they won't strike out.


I don't know. This divisiveness, it isn't political or ideological. It seems like a conspiracy for how could the conservatives votes so heartlessly unless they were either paid to vote that way or maybe they were influenced by RUSSIA!!! Cuz you know Clarence Thomas spends a lot of time on the internet. Maybe one lazy afternoon he's grooving over this Russian porn site when all of a sudden up pops a garish ad saying, "WE GOT YOU THOMAS!!!" VOTE AGAINST WHAT"S BEST FOR PEOPLE OR WE TELL - - - AGAIN!!!" Yes, I think that not only have the Russians taken over our voting systems they've infiltrated the Supreme Court. Tell Rachael Maddow ASAP!
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Postby Sneelock » 27 Jun 2018, 04:54

As far as I can tell TRUMP can do anyfuckingthing he wants. You don’t like it? Go ahead & take it to court. Eventually the Supreme Court will approve anything he does because he is a right wing fruit-bat just like the majority on the court.
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Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 27 Jun 2018, 16:04

LeBaron wrote:What a fucking depressing day. SCOTUS gets a chance to do the right thing and hides behind judicial minimalism and conservative orthodoxy. Reading the majority opinion, as a matter of law and analysis, it is entirely defensible. The President unquestionably has authority to do this---it's open and shut in a lot of ways and in a slightly different situation, I would probably defending the opinion on legalistic terms. But Justice Sotomayor is right. The Court allowed the President and his lawyers (who he probably hasn't listened to since) effectively launder his hate and bare animus with lawyer paper and get away with it. Roberts and Kennedy could have stepped up and said "we're not buying it," but they backed away. I often respect their restraint, but not today. They whiffed. This will be another Dred Scott, or Korematsu.

It depresses me to acknowledge judicial decisionmaking as an act of raw partisan politics, because it's not that simple. Except when it is.


What’s strange about it is that they just judged Masterpiece Cake based on their perceptions of the comments made by some members of the CO Civil Rights Commission. But here, they are choosing to ignore a President’s own public admissions that this was intended as a Muslim ban.

Kennedy just irreparably tarnished his legacy.
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Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 27 Jun 2018, 16:13

Yes, the Court is happy to smack down a low level bureaucrat, but loathe to second guess the President on claimed matters of “national security,” so long as his advisors have cobbled together some paperwork to make it look legalish.
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Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 27 Jun 2018, 19:08

Oh God
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Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 27 Jun 2018, 19:10

Well...they did it.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 27 Jun 2018, 19:13

LeBaron wrote:Yes, the Court is happy to smack down a low level bureaucrat, but loathe to second guess the President on claimed matters of “national security,” so long as his advisors have cobbled together some paperwork to make it look legalish.


This morning, I heard Justice Sotomayor's dissent. I thought it was pretty scathing.
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Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 27 Jun 2018, 19:16

sloopjohnc wrote:
LeBaron wrote:Yes, the Court is happy to smack down a low level bureaucrat, but loathe to second guess the President on claimed matters of “national security,” so long as his advisors have cobbled together some paperwork to make it look legalish.


This morning, I heard Justice Sotomayor's dissent. I thought it was pretty scathing.


She’s about to have a whole lot more dissenting to do.
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Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 27 Jun 2018, 19:23

Of course, since DJT is a one term President, and we’re about to have mid terms, Mitch McConnell will probably put off any nominations until 2019.
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Postby Count Machuki » 27 Jun 2018, 19:29

LeBaron wrote:Of course, since DJT is a one term President, and we’re about to have mid terms, Mitch McConnell will probably put off any nominations until 2019.


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Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 27 Jun 2018, 19:32

It’s over.

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Postby BARON CORNY DOG » 27 Jun 2018, 19:39

They’ll have another 40something Gorsuch confirmed by November and John Roberts is the new swing vote. In the meantime, Justice Breyer is 80 in August, and Justice Ginsburg is (I think) 85.
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