President Donald J. Trump

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Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 20 Apr 2017, 03:42

Not by award-winner Robert Parry, but...

http://reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN17L2N3
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 20 Apr 2017, 04:41

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Not by Robert Parry, but...

http://reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN17L2N3


:roll:

On the face of it it is understandable that Putin would have preferred a candidate who looked more favorably on Russia. Putin wanted those sanctions lifted. Dumb Donald thought that good relations with Russia would be good for the USA and good for Dumb Donald. Win-win! And it wasn't hard to find news stories that made Hillary look bad, i.e., the fishiness over her Wall Street speeches and the easily imagined or actual scandals over at the Clinton Foundation.

But what about the hacking? (This is rich.) Did not Putin don a commando costume and hack the DNC computers and then hand the true stories over to Wikileaks? And where does this new revelation say anything about blackmailing Trump with peeing hookers?

Neither of the Russian institute documents mentioned the release of hacked Democratic Party emails to interfere with the U.S. election, according to four of the officials. The officials said the hacking was a covert intelligence operation run separately out of the Kremlin.


In a nutshell, this is a recap of the weakest part of the original FBI's "Russia influenced the election" story. There were stories on Russian-owned English media that made Hillary look bad. Very weak tea.
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Postby fire and fueryIre » 20 Apr 2017, 07:55

Jimbo wrote:Jimmy Dore is right and enough with the mealy mouthed platitudes about unity and opportunity and make with the concrete shit like Bernie did:

$15 minimum wage, Medicare for all, infrastructure rebuilding jobs, free college, less intervention, a fair deal for the Palestinians, re-regulate the banks, etc.


You don't hear this from the mouths of today's Dems.

Bernie wasn't as successful as he was because he's telegenic, it's because he had plans to help people.



Far from being "concrete shit" (or even more laughably "plans", these are just pie-in-the-sky promises - the fact that they come from the mouth of a politician desperate to garner votes makes them even less credible.
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Postby Diamond Dog » 20 Apr 2017, 10:24

Jimbo wrote:... has taken the all of us to the brink of a world war. The amplification of those empty charges have nudged on the winner, a lunatic who promised detante' and to rebuild America, to where he is lobbing missiles at Syrian air bases and with carriers off the North Korean coast.


They guy you actively urged us all to support upon his election - less than six months ago.

Remember that?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 20 Apr 2017, 10:41

Diamond Dog wrote:
Jimbo wrote:... has taken the all of us to the brink of a world war. The amplification of those empty charges have nudged on the winner, a lunatic who promised detante' and to rebuild America, to where he is lobbing missiles at Syrian air bases and with carriers off the North Korean coast.


They guy you actively urged us all to support upon his election - less than six months ago.

Remember that?


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Postby fire and fueryIre » 20 Apr 2017, 11:54

Jimbo wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Jimbo wrote:... has taken the all of us to the brink of a world war. The amplification of those empty charges have nudged on the winner, a lunatic who promised detante' and to rebuild America, to where he is lobbing missiles at Syrian air bases and with carriers off the North Korean coast.


They guy you actively urged us all to support upon his election - less than six months ago.

Remember that?


:lol:


Fucking Russians, hijacking people's computers.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 20 Apr 2017, 12:01

Wait, if RT, a news channel funded by the Russian government was backing Trump over HRC, according to secret documents that was a flashing light indicator that Trump was a puppet for Putin. But how about FOX News? The "fair and balanced" network backed Trump as well. Is FOX News a Kremlin mouthpiece as well? OMG!!!
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Postby fire and fueryIre » 20 Apr 2017, 12:35

This is terrific - a woman eased her dying husband's pain by telling him Trump had been impeached


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/17/polit ... d-elliott/
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 20 Apr 2017, 16:12

Jimbo wrote:Wait, if RT, a news channel funded by the Russian government was backing Trump over HRC, according to secret documents that was a flashing light indicator that Trump was a puppet for Putin. But how about FOX News? The "fair and balanced" network backed Trump as well. Is FOX News a Kremlin mouthpiece as well? OMG!!!


Fox News is a Republican Party mouthpiece. To the extent that Putin is willing to campaign for them, they seem willing to go along.
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Postby Charlie O. » 20 Apr 2017, 16:13

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Jimbo wrote:Wait, if RT, a news channel funded by the Russian government was backing Trump over HRC, according to secret documents that was a flashing light indicator that Trump was a puppet for Putin. But how about FOX News? The "fair and balanced" network backed Trump as well. Is FOX News a Kremlin mouthpiece as well? OMG!!!


Fox News is a Republican Party mouthpiece. To the extent that Putin is willing to campaign for them, they seem willing to go along.

Seriously, "fair and balanced" network, Jimbo? Where'd you read that? :lol:
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Postby toomanyhatz » 20 Apr 2017, 20:20

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 21 Apr 2017, 02:50

toomanyhatz wrote:A long read, but worthwhile:

http://www.stonekettle.com/2017/04/the- ... rance.html


A coup - professionally done of course - is what we need. Seriously.

I remember reading a long time ago how France is a country run not by bureaucrats but by "technocrats." Not sure of the relevance of that but that is what entered my mind as I read the piece. The writer makes an excellent point. And maybe I'm skittish due to the back and forth arguing you and I have got going here, but how, Hatz, does this post relate to me? Because, when it comes to the US's foreign policy a Carter-ish holding off of action is what I favor. Not to mention a full court diplomatic press as well. I do think too, however, the media press to blame Russia for the election loss is nearly as reckless as Trumps bullheaded blundering.

And what if the US military did stage a coup like they do in third world countries promising after the president is overthrown they'd restore order and a return to normalcy. Oh, wait, *dons tinfoil yarmulke* they already did on November 22, 1963.
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Postby Hepcat » 21 Apr 2017, 04:12

Charlie O. wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
Jimbo wrote:Wait, if RT, a news channel funded by the Russian government was backing Trump over HRC, according to secret documents that was a flashing light indicator that Trump was a puppet for Putin. But how about FOX News? The "fair and balanced" network backed Trump as well. Is FOX News a Kremlin mouthpiece as well? OMG!!!


Fox News is a Republican Party mouthpiece. To the extent that Putin is willing to campaign for them, they seem willing to go along.

Seriously, "fair and balanced" network, Jimbo? Where'd you read that? :lol:


I hardly think you're the one to be prouncing on what's fair and balanced. You're about as partisan as they come.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Hepcat » 21 Apr 2017, 04:22

Jimbo wrote:Oh, wait, *dons tinfoil yarmulke* they already did on November 22, 1963.


Don't you find the fantasy world you inhabit a bit stifling at times? Do you ever bother to come up for air?

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 21 Apr 2017, 04:37

"Fair and Balanced" is Fox News' catchphrase. I used it in the sentence so I wouldn't need to repeat Fox News. I am aware that Fox News is biased against the "Democrat" party and not particularly fair nor balanced. I just found it funny how the "fair and balanced" network which champions Trump has not yet been accused of collusion with Russia.
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Postby Charlie O. » 21 Apr 2017, 05:24

Jimbo wrote:"Fair and Balanced" is Fox News' catchphrase. I used it in the sentence so I wouldn't need to repeat Fox News. I am aware that Fox News is biased against the "Democrat" party and not particularly fair nor balanced. I just found it funny how the "fair and balanced" network which champions Trump has not yet been accused of collusion with Russia.

I should have picked up on that! My bad, Jimbo.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby fire and fueryIre » 21 Apr 2017, 09:04

Jimbo wrote:
A coup - professionally done of course - is what we need. Seriously.



Easy to say when you live in Tokyo.

Perhaps you could give the local branch of Coups'R'Us a call.


Jimbo wrote:
Because, when it comes to the US's foreign policy a Carter-ish holding off of action is what I favor.



So not a coup after all then.

Jimbo wrote:
...the media press to blame Russia for the election loss is nearly as reckless as Trumps bullheaded blundering.



Not unlike those calling for a coup when you think about it.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 02 May 2017, 00:14

Watching Donald Trump on Face the Nation yesterday, I can see why he probably thinks, "Chicks dig me," when they obviously don't. He sure perceives things differently than they appear.

I think my 14 year-old son cares less about what people think about him than Trump does.

Jiminy Glick also interviewedTrump on his first 100 days.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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On Leaving America
Hans Magnus Enzensberger FEBRUARY 29, 1968 ISSUE
Mr. Edwin D. Etherington,

President,

Wesleyan University,

Middletown, Conn.

Dear Mr. President,

I hereby ask you to accept my resignation as a Fellow of the Center for Advanced Studies at Wesleyan University. At the same time, I wish to thank you, as best I can, for the hospitality which you have shown me during my stay here. The very least I owe to you, to the faculty, and to the students is an account of my reasons for leaving Wesleyan.

Let me begin with a few elementary considerations. I believe the class which rules the United States of America, and the government which implements its policies, to be the most dangerous body of men on earth. In one way or another, and to a different degree, this class is a threat to anybody who is not part of it. It is waging an undeclared war against more than a billion people; its weapons range from saturation bombing to the most delicate techniques of persuasion; its aim is to establish its political, economic, and military predominance over every other power in the world. Its mortal enemy is revolutionary change.

Many Americans are deeply troubled by the state of their nation. They reject the war which is being waged in their name against the people of Vietnam. They look for ways and means to end the latent civil war in the ghettos of American cities. But most of them still hold on to the idea that these crises are unfortunate accidents, due to faulty management and lack of understanding: tragical errors on the part of an otherwise peaceful, sane, and well-intentioned world power.

To this interpretation I cannot agree. The Vietnam war is not an isolated phenomenon. It is the most visible outcome and, at the same time, the bloodiest test case of a coherent international policy which applies to five continents. The ruling class of the United States has taken sides in the armed struggles of Guatemala and Indonesia, of Laos and Bolivia, of Korea and Colombia, of the Philippines and of Venezuela, of the Congo and of the Dominican Republic. This is not an exhaustive list. Many other countries are governed, with American support, by oppression, corruption, and starvation. Nobody can feel safe and secure any more, not in Europe, and not even in the United States itself.

There is nothing surprising and original about the simple truth I am stating here. I have no space to qualify and differentiate it in any scientific way. Others, many of them American scholars like Baran and Horowitz, Huberman and Sweezy, Zinn and Chomsky, have done so at great length. From what I could gather here, the academic community does not think much of their work. It has been called old-fashioned, boring, and rhetorical; the outgrowth of a paranoid imagination or simply communist propaganda. These defense mechanisms are part of the Western intellectual’s standard equipment. Since I have frequently met with them here, I take the liberty of examining them more closely.

The first argument is really a matter of semantics. Our society has seen fit to be permissive about the old taboos of language. Nobody is shocked any more by the ancient and indispensable four-letter-words. At the same time, a new crop of words has been banished, by common consent, from polite society: words like exploitation and imperialism. They have acquired a touch of obscenity. Political scientists have taken to paraphrases and circumlocution which sound like the neurotic euphemisms of the Victorians. Some sociologists have gone so far as to deny the very existence of a ruling class. Obviously, it is easier to abolish the word exploitation than the thing it designates; but then, to do away with the term is not to do away with the problem.

A second defense device is using psychology as a shield. I have been told that it is sick and paranoid to conceive of a powerful set of people who are a danger to the rest of the world. This amounts to saying that instead of listening to his arguments it is better to watch the patient. Now it is not an easy thing to defend yourself against amateur psychiatrists. I shall limit myself to a few essential points. I do not imagine a conspiracy, since there is no need for such a thing. A social class, and especially a ruling class, is not held together by secret bonds, but by common and glaringly evident self-interest. I do not fabricate monsters. Everybody knows that bank presidents, generals, and military industrialists do not look like comicstrip demons: they are well-mannered, nice gentlemen, possibly lovers of chamber music with a philanthropic bent of mind. There was no lack of such kind people even in the Germany of the Thirties. Their moral insanity does not derive from their individual character, but from their social function.

Finally, there is a political defense mechanism operating with the assertion that all of the things which I submit are just communist propaganda. I have no reason to fear this time-honored indictment. It is inaccurate, vague, and irrational. First of all, the word Communism, used as a singular, has become rather meaningless. It covers a wide variety of conflicting ideas; some of them are even mutually exclusive. Furthermore, my opinion of American foreign policy is shared by Greek liberals and Latin American archbishops, by Norwegian peasants and French industrialists: people who are not generally thought of as being in the vanguard of “Communism.”

The fact is that most Americans have no idea of what they and their country look like to the outside world. I have seen the glance that follows them: tourists in the streets of Mexico, soldiers on leave in Far Eastern cities, businessmen in Italy or Sweden. The same glance is cast on your embassies, your destroyers, your billboards all over the world. It is a terrible look, because it makes no distinctions and no allowances. I will tell you why I recognize this look. It is because I am a German. It is because I have felt it on myself.

If you try to analyze it, you will find a blend of distrust and resentment, fear and envy, contempt and outright hate. It hits your President, for whom there is hardly any capital left in the world where he can show his face in public; but it also hits the kind old lady across the aisle on the flight from Delhi to Benares. It is an indiscriminate, a manichaean look. I do not like it. I do not share your President’s belief in collective graft and in collective guilt. “Don’t forget,” he told his soldiers in Korea, “there are only 200 million of us in the world of three billion. They want what we’ve got, and we’re not going to give it to them.” Now it is perfectly true that we all take some share in the pillage of the Third World. Economists like Dobb and Bettelheim, Jalée and Robinson have shown ample evidence for the contention that the poor countries, which we are underdeveloping, subsidize our economies. But surely Mr. Johnson is overstating his case when he implies that the American people are but a single, solid corporate giant fighting for its loot. There is more to admire in America than meets Mr. Johnson’s eye. I find little in Europe that could compare with the fight put up by people in SNCC, SDS, and in Resist. And I may add that I resent the air of moral superiority which many Europeans nowadays affect with respect to the United States. They seem to regard it as a personal merit that their own empires have been shattered. This, of course, is hypocritical nonsense.

However, there is such a thing as a political responsibility for what your own country is doing to the rest of the world, as the Germans found out to their cost after both World Wars. In more than one way, the state of your Union reminds me of my own country’s state in the middle Thirties. Before you reject this comparison, I ask you to reflect that nobody had heard or thought of gas chambers at that time; that respectable statesmen visited Berlin and shook hands with the Chancellor of the Reich; and that most people refused to believe that Germany had set out to dominate the world. Of course, everybody could see that there was a lot of racial discrimination and persecution going on; the armament budget went up at an alarming rate; and there was a growing involvement in the war against the Spanish revolution.

But here my analogy breaks down. For not only do our present masters wield a destructive power of which the Nazis could never dream; they have also reached a degree of subtlety and sophistication unheard of in the crude old days. Verbal opposition is today in danger of becoming a harmless spectator sport, licensed, well-regulated and, up to a point, even encouraged by the powerful. The universities have become a favorite playground for this ambiguous game. Of course, only a dogmatic of the most abominable sort could argue that censorship and open repression would be preferable to the precarious and deceptive freedom which we are now enjoying. But, on the other hand, only a fool can ignore that this very freedom has created new alibis, pitfalls, and dilemmas for those who oppose the system. It took me three months to discover that the advantages which you gave me would end up by disarming me; that in accepting your invitation and your grant, I had lost my credibility; and that the mere fact of my being here on these terms would devalue whatever I might have to say. “To judge an intellectual it is not enough to examine his ideas: it is the relation between his ideas and his acts which counts.” This piece of advice, offered by Régis Debray, has some bearing on my present situation. To make it clear that I mean what I say, I have to put an end to it.

It is a necessary, but hardly a sufficient, thing to do. For it is one thing to study imperialism in comfort, and quite another thing to confront it where it shows a less benevolent face. I have just returned from a trip to Cuba. I saw the agents of the CIA in the airport of Mexico City taking pictures of every passenger leaving for Havana; I saw the silhouettes of American warships off the Cuban coast; I saw the traces of the American invasion at the Bay of Pigs; I saw the heritage of an imperialist economy and the scars it left on the body and on the mind of a small country; I saw the daily siege which forces the Cubans to import every single spoon they use from Czechoslovakia and every single gallon of gasoline from the Soviet Union, because the United States has been trying for seven years to starve them into surrender.

I have made up my mind to go to Cuba and to work there for a substantial period of time. This is hardly a sacrifice on my part; I just feel that I can learn more from the Cuban people and be of greater use to them than I could ever be to the students of Wesleyan University.

This letter is a meagre way of thanking you for your hospitality, and I very much regret that it is all I have to offer in return for three peaceful months. I realize, of course, that my case is, by itself, of no importance or interest to the outside world. However, the questions which it raises do not concern me alone. Let me therefore try to answer them, as best I can, in public.

Yours faithfully,

Hans Magnus Enzensberger

January 31, 1968
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