President Donald J. Trump

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Postby The Great Defector » 14 Apr 2017, 15:57

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 15 Apr 2017, 03:31

Did Al Qaeda Fool the White House Again?
April 14, 2017

Exclusive: Despite evidence that Al Qaeda and its allies have staged fake chemical attacks in Syria before, Official Washington asserts with “high confidence” that it’s not being fooled again, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

In Official Washington, words rarely mean what they say. For instance, if a U.S. government official voices “high confidence” in a supposed “intelligence assessment,” that usually means “we don’t have any real evidence, but we figure that if we say ‘high confidence’ enough that no one will dare challenge us.” … https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/14/d ... use-again/
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 15 Apr 2017, 04:21

Nope...we'll never know for sure who is responsible. That's one of the costs of having your great Russian peacemaker and single-payer champion in office. Who the hell knows what basis he fires missiles on?

It's a great time to be Robert Parry though. You can sell conjecture all day with Trump in office.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 15 Apr 2017, 04:26

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Nope...we'll never know for sure who is responsible. That's one of the costs of having your great Russian peacemaker and single-payer champion in office. Who the hell knows what basis he fires missiles on?

It's a great time to be Robert Parry though. You can sell conjecture all day with Trump in office.


Right on cue! :lol:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 15 Apr 2017, 04:38

How do you know Al Qaeda isn't posting for me?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 16 Apr 2017, 23:00

What Russia-gate Has Wrought
April 16, 2017

Exclusive: For five months, there was a daily drumbeat on Russia-gate, the sprawling conspiracy theory that Russia had somehow put Donald Trump in the White House, but suddenly the “scandal” disappeared, notes Robert Parry.


By Robert Parry

Democrats, liberals and some progressives might be feeling a little perplexed over what has happened to Russia-gate, the story that pounded Donald Trump every day since his election last November – until April 4, that is.

On April 4, Trump fully capitulated to the neoconservative bash-Russia narrative amid dubious claims about a chemical attack in Syria. On April 6, Trump fired off 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian airbase; he also restored the neocon demand for “regime change” in Syria; and he alleged that Russia was possibly complicit in the supposed chemical attack.

Since Trump took those actions – in accordance with the neocon desires for more “regime change” in the Middle East and a costly New Cold War with Russia – Russia-gate has almost vanished from the news….
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 17 Apr 2017, 15:44

So Parry's position is that we should all ignore the fact that our entire intelligence community has stated for the record that their findings do show Russian interference? We are also supposed to ignore the parade of Trump campaign officials who have been exposed as lying about their contact with Russia? Even the ones who have had to register as foreign agents?

Moreover...Parry argues that if we pay any attention to what our lying eyes see - then the incomprensibility of Trump's foreign policy instincts is on us? Does he imagine a normal foreign policy under Trump if we all just go along?

What an absolute load of horseshit!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 17 Apr 2017, 18:07

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:So Parry's position is that we should all ignore the fact that our entire intelligence community has stated for the record that their findings do show Russian interference? We are also supposed to ignore the parade of Trump campaign officials who have been exposed as lying about their contact with Russia? Even the ones who have had to register as foreign agents?

Moreover...Parry argues that if we pay any attention to what our lying eyes see - then the incomprensibility of Trump's foreign policy instincts is on us? Does he imagine a normal foreign policy under Trump if we all just go along?

What an absolute load of horseshit!


I don't think anyone has forgotten Russia. I just think there has been other, more pressing news since then.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby kath » 17 Apr 2017, 19:48

sloopjohnc wrote:I don't think anyone has forgotten Russia. I just think there has been other, more pressing news since then.


yep. that and the fact that congress is in the middle of its two week spring break. the people doing the digging and the talking about will be back.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 17 Apr 2017, 20:04

Would that Jimbo or his hero were saying that we have more pressing matters. Instead they're saying there's nothing there. a) how the hell would they know? b) what exactly isn't getting the proper attention that's going instead to Russia? Trump has plenty of other ways to start WWIII beyond pissing off Putin, and he seems to be using them. :cry:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby The Great Defector » 18 Apr 2017, 16:47

I wish someone in the intelligence community would come out publicly and just say "Russia fucked with our elections". Not pussy foot around with words like, shows signs of, suggests that, possibly did, etc. Then just produce concrete evidence.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 18 Apr 2017, 18:40

then what?
I'm not sure it would make a lick of difference in how this is all playing out.


people who support him don't give a shit that he's a dick and they don't give a shit how he got elected. they and he don't give a shit what anybody else has to say about any of it. proof? yeah, I could go for some proof but I don't for a minute think it would change a goddam thing.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby The Great Defector » 18 Apr 2017, 18:48

sneelock wrote:then what?
I'm not sure it would make a lick of difference in how this is all playing out.

I agree that talking about smoking guns is a lot different than smelling the sulfur but, look at the "easter egg roll"
there is footage of The President of the United States signing the "keep America Great" hats of young supporters then laughing as he tosses them away from them. I can't believe that there's a way to watch that stuff without concluding the man is some kind of a dick.

people who support him don't give a shit that he's a dick and they don't give a shit how he got elected. they and he don't give a shit what anybody else has to say about any of it. proof? yeah, I could go for some proof but I don't for a minute think it would change a goddam thing.


It would make the anti trump supporters sound less like their throwing mud and hoping it sticks. I hate trump, he's a cunt, but I hate the way some people seem to think that bringing up his appearance (fake suntan etc) or rumors like he paid some Russian prostitute to piss on him as credible ways to attack him. Maher does this all the time, and it achieves nothing, it just makes maher and the rest that sound like him look childish.

Argue back with relevant stats on how he's fucking up or what he's gonna fuck up with a certain policy. To paraphrase Michelle Obama, take the high road.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 18 Apr 2017, 19:27

suit yourself. I 'm not losing any sleep over any of that. All he has to do is drop a few bombs and everybody acts like the sun is shining out of his ass.
calling him a dick when he acts like one might make me look childish but what SHOULD you call a guy like that?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby The Great Defector » 18 Apr 2017, 19:32

You can call him a dick, but give him concrete reasons why dropping the bomb was a mistake or like, if I understand this correctly, he should have had an interparlimentry vote on if he should drop the bomb or not. He didn't. Things like that.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 18 Apr 2017, 19:34

are you serious?
he won't even state categorically that he knew they were dropping it.

I don't need to step in POO before I call it POO.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby The Great Defector » 18 Apr 2017, 19:35

sneelock wrote:are you serious?
he won't even state categorically that he knew they were dropping it.


There's another thing you can use then..................
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 18 Apr 2017, 19:37

people who tell other people what they need to do to be credible don't have a lot of credibility with me.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 18 Apr 2017, 19:37

our punditocracy is full of 'em.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby The Great Defector » 18 Apr 2017, 19:38

Grand so.
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