Jimbo wrote:Those trolls, according to the latest Mueller report, are not connected to the Russian government nor Putin, nor Trump. The only thing true is that they were Russians, like I am American. I could just as easily try and spread whatever bullshit I want on the internet as they could - - in fact that is what I am doing, exactly what the Russian trolls are accused of doing.
The guy who's alleged to have funded the operation is a personal friend of Putin's who apparently enjoys a very lucrative contract with the Russian government, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.
The president would be wise to cool his heels on [any] claims of vindication. The fact that this indictment doesn’t allege misconduct on the American side does not necessarily mean that Mueller lacks evidence to support such an allegation—or that he will not develop it in the future. This indictment deals with a limited subject matter: one aspect of the Russian operation—that involving social media influence measures—undertaken by non-governmental actors. It makes a point of not addressing the conduct of U.S. actors. That is neither inculpatory or vindicating. It is, rather, a deferral of the matter to another day.
What this indictment does, rather, is establish part of the predicate for a later claim of collusion. That is, the indictment details part of what it was that any Americans might have been colluding with.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/russian-inf ... indictmentHere are some FACTS for you about what's going down: Mueller's investigation has now produced
- The indictment of 13 Russian nationals for their role in a sweeping strategy to influence our elections
- A guilty plea by former national security adviser Michael Flynn for lying to the FBI about the extent and nature of his contacts with Russians during the 2016 campaign.
- A guilty plea by former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadapoulos for lying to the FBI about the extent and nature of his contacts with Russians during the 2016 campaign.
- Charges of a litany of financial crimes against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy Rick Gates. They have both previously pleaded not guilty, but CNN's Katelyn Polantz and Sara Murray reported Friday that Gates is finalizing a plea deal.
This is real stuff that's actually happened - no "hoax."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/18/politics ... index.htmlThe way it seems, things are going to get worse for the Trump campaign/transition team/administration before they get better:
[E]verything that has emerged of the investigation so far suggests that the special counsel’s office has information well beyond that which it has made public. This is another reason to avoid making predictions about the innocence of the Trump campaign—or its guilt, for that matter—based on the limited scope of the indictment. Nobody knows how much more to come there is, and anyone pretending to, either by way of claiming vindication for those not yet indicted or by way of asserting confidently what the next shoe to drop will be, deserves a healthy measure of skepticism.
(again , Lawfare)
Jimbo. I'm not really interested in debating you on incontrovertible facts and whether you believe them. I know you're too jaded to be scandalized about any of this, but I feel pretty outraged that this fat fuck has led us down this road, all the while shrieking about how great he is.