Sneelock wrote:A paranoiac mania so severe it has infected the TRUMP administration?
That’s one HELL of a mania!
Sneelock wrote:TRUMP says he never said things he’s said. He’s willing to accuse the FBI of letting children die in a paranoid word salad designed to cover his own ass with abosutely no obligation to be intelligent or consistent while he does so.
Jimbo wrote:
Dude, put on your big boy pants and read the link I sent. Those trolls, according to the latest Mueller report, are not connected to the Russian government nor Putin, nor Trump. The only thing true is that they were Russians, like I am American. I could just as easily try and spread whatever bullshit I want on the internet as they could - - in fat that is what I am doing, exactly what the Russian trolls are accused of doing.
What you don’t get is that almost nobody blames the Russians for doing this any more than we’d blame a cat for killing a mouse. We GET that we’ve done the same, and that to a certain degree ALL nations attempt to manipulate each other’s system.
If there is mania among liberals regarding Russia, it is mania to see Trump exposed. We want his finances exposed. We want his conflicts of interest exposed. And yes - we want his willingness to treason exposed. Beyond that - we’d like our government and Facebook/Twitter to build in some safeguards against the same shit happening again.
Jimbo wrote:
Beyond that - we’d like our government and Facebook/Twitter to build in some safeguards against the same shit happening again
Then you want the likes of me banned? Take Consortium News too. Jeez, I hope not.
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Jimbo wrote:
Beyond that - we’d like our government and Facebook/Twitter to build in some safeguards against the same shit happening again
Then you want the likes of me banned? Take Consortium News too. Jeez, I hope not.
No dummy. We want shit like this dealt with:
https://www.politico.eu/article/how-twi ... -go-viral/
Whether it is Russian (something - I lost the quote) or “Macedonian teenagers” (or FOX News or the Republican Party or numerous web sites or simple word of mouth) —it doesn’t really matter.
Jimbo wrote:Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Jimbo wrote:
Beyond that - we’d like our government and Facebook/Twitter to build in some safeguards against the same shit happening again
Then you want the likes of me banned? Take Consortium News too. Jeez, I hope not.
No dummy. We want shit like this dealt with:
https://www.politico.eu/article/how-twi ... -go-viral/Whether it is Republican or Russian or “Macedonian teenagers” (or FOX News or the Republican Party or numerous web sites or simple word of mouth) —it doesn’t really matter.
See, they are unsure it was another country's government that did it but due to this mania it seems to go without saying that Russia/Putin dun it. And now we know, according to Mueller's report, that if it was Russian trolls it wasn't at the behest of the Russian government.
Nobody cares if they were directed by their government or not. You keep defending Putin,and by and large none of us give a shit.
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Jimbo wrote:Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
No dummy. We want shit like this dealt with:
https://www.politico.eu/article/how-twi ... -go-viral/Whether it is Republican or Russian or “Macedonian teenagers” (or FOX News or the Republican Party or numerous web sites or simple word of mouth) —it doesn’t really matter.
See, they are unsure it was another country's government that did it but due to this mania it seems to go without saying that Russia/Putin dun it. And now we know, according to Mueller's report, that if it was Russian trolls it wasn't at the behest of the Russian government.
Fucking hell...you can be tedious!
Didn’t I JUST say the following?Nobody cares if they were directed by their government or not. You keep defending Putin,and by and large none of us give a shit.
I understand that you consider it YOUR SWORN DUTY to protect the Kremlin from even the slightest fucking hint of blame. But GET THE FUCK OVER IT!!!
We don’t care.
The important point is that this technology exists and that ANYONE can use it to manipulate our elections. So why the hell is it a problem for you to want to understand it and want to plug that hole.
If they can identify these bots...why can’t they ban them from our social media? That doesn’t mean banning you or Robert Parry’s ghost. It means identifying foreign propaganda accounts and disabling them.
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:BECAUSE THE BOTS HAVE BEEN LINKED TO RUSSIA!!!!!!
Like the guys indicted by Mueller - we don’t know for a fact that they work for the government. If you want to hold onto the thin reed that they and every other person slaving away on Russian troll farms are a bunch of lone wolves. That’s your insanity.
That one quote in that article (which appears to be the only thing you are willing to respond to in it) wasn’t meant to equivocate on whether Russia was behind the bots in question. It was arguing that it’s STUPID to debate whether they were.
Who GIVES A FUCK whether it was Russia or not? The point is that it is happening and SOMEONE is doing it (and taking care to leave Russian fingerprints if they aren’t Russia).
As a bona-fide Kremlin apologist, you should welcome Mueller’s investigation. Maybe he’ll find those Macedonian teenagers.
Jimbo wrote:Those trolls, according to the latest Mueller report, are not connected to the Russian government nor Putin, nor Trump. The only thing true is that they were Russians, like I am American. I could just as easily try and spread whatever bullshit I want on the internet as they could - - in fact that is what I am doing, exactly what the Russian trolls are accused of doing.
The president would be wise to cool his heels on [any] claims of vindication. The fact that this indictment doesn’t allege misconduct on the American side does not necessarily mean that Mueller lacks evidence to support such an allegation—or that he will not develop it in the future. This indictment deals with a limited subject matter: one aspect of the Russian operation—that involving social media influence measures—undertaken by non-governmental actors. It makes a point of not addressing the conduct of U.S. actors. That is neither inculpatory or vindicating. It is, rather, a deferral of the matter to another day.
What this indictment does, rather, is establish part of the predicate for a later claim of collusion. That is, the indictment details part of what it was that any Americans might have been colluding with.
- The indictment of 13 Russian nationals for their role in a sweeping strategy to influence our elections
- A guilty plea by former national security adviser Michael Flynn for lying to the FBI about the extent and nature of his contacts with Russians during the 2016 campaign.
- A guilty plea by former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadapoulos for lying to the FBI about the extent and nature of his contacts with Russians during the 2016 campaign.
- Charges of a litany of financial crimes against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy Rick Gates. They have both previously pleaded not guilty, but CNN's Katelyn Polantz and Sara Murray reported Friday that Gates is finalizing a plea deal.
[E]verything that has emerged of the investigation so far suggests that the special counsel’s office has information well beyond that which it has made public. This is another reason to avoid making predictions about the innocence of the Trump campaign—or its guilt, for that matter—based on the limited scope of the indictment. Nobody knows how much more to come there is, and anyone pretending to, either by way of claiming vindication for those not yet indicted or by way of asserting confidently what the next shoe to drop will be, deserves a healthy measure of skepticism.
GoogaMooga wrote: The further away from home you go, the greater the risk of getting stuck there.
- The indictment of 13 Russian nationals for their role in a sweeping strategy to influence our elections.
- A guilty plea by former national security adviser Michael Flynn for lying to the FBI about the extent and nature of his contacts with Russians during the 2016 campaign.
- A guilty plea by former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadapoulos for lying to the FBI about the extent and nature of his contacts with Russians during the 2016 campaign.
- Charges of a litany of financial crimes against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy Rick Gates. They have both previously pleaded not guilty, but CNN's Katelyn Polantz and Sara Murray reported Friday that Gates is finalizing a plea deal.
“Peter Daou sat with his team at a long wooden table last week, pushing the buttons that activate Mrs. Clinton’s outrage machine. Mr. Daou’s operation, called Shareblue, had published the article on Mr. Trump’s comment on its website and created the accompanying hashtag.“They will put that pressure right on the media outlets in a very intense way,” Mr. Daou, the chief executive of Shareblue, said of the Twitter army he had galvanized. “By the thousands.”
Jimbo wrote:
Davey, this is how I see it, Russians or not, as problems go controlling bots on the internet is not that that big a deal. Okay?
Very Stable Baron wrote:I can't read or respond to everything, but here's the thing: all this is an investigation undertaken by seasoned federal prosecutors. What comes will come either in a report to Congress or in FEDERAL FUCKING COURT. Say what you will about the deep state or political motivations or whatever else, but federal court is no joke, and federal judges, particularly those sitting in DC, are no joke. Whatever comes will be supported by sworn testimony and actual documentation. If there are actual legal proceedings, it will be subject to cross examination and the Rules of Evidence.
Jimbo wrote:I tried to read the indictment but failed
Jimbo wrote:Yeah, they did issue indictments. True. But anyone can be indicted, and if they can get them out of Russia for a trial, we'll see.
take5_d_shorterer wrote:If John Bonham simply didn't listen to enough Tommy Johnson or Blind Willie Mctell, that's his doing.
