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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 27 Sep 2017, 04:46

Ooh, Facebook found Russia-bought ads proving they meddled with America's democracy. :o

Obama tried to give Zuckerberg a wake-up call over fake news on Facebook

Facebook announced on Sept. 21 that it would turn over copies of 3,000 political ads brought by Russian accounts during the 2016 election, after previously showing some to congressional investigators. (The Washington Post)

By Adam Entous, Elizabeth Dwoskin and Craig Timberg September 24 https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... 7e2223a915


Another load of fake news from the Hillary loving sore losers at the Washington Post. Watch how Robert Parry again dissects these vermin and exposes the rot at the top to sunlight.

So, Facebook initially – after extensive searching – did not find evidence of a Russian operation. Then, after continued pressure from high-level Democrats, Facebook continued to scour its system and again found nothing, or as the Post article acknowledged, Facebook “had searched extensively for evidence of foreign purchases of political advertising but had come up short.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/25/w ... a-bashing/

I challenge any of you to give me an example of Russia-generated fake news. Go to RT and Sputnik if you must and bring Jimbo some fake news.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 27 Sep 2017, 05:59

Jimbo wrote:Ooh, Facebook found Russia-bought ads proving they meddled with America's democracy. :o

Obama tried to give Zuckerberg a wake-up call over fake news on Facebook

Facebook announced on Sept. 21 that it would turn over copies of 3,000 political ads brought by Russian accounts during the 2016 election, after previously showing some to congressional investigators. (The Washington Post)

By Adam Entous, Elizabeth Dwoskin and Craig Timberg September 24 https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... 7e2223a915


Another load of fake news from the Hillary loving sore losers at the Washington Post. Watch how Robert Parry again dissects these vermin and exposes the rot at the top to sunlight.

So, Facebook initially – after extensive searching – did not find evidence of a Russian operation. Then, after continued pressure from high-level Democrats, Facebook continued to scour its system and again found nothing, or as the Post article acknowledged, Facebook “had searched extensively for evidence of foreign purchases of political advertising but had come up short.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/25/w ... a-bashing/

I challenge any of you to give me an example of Russia-generated fake news. Go to RT and Sputnik if you must and bring Jimbo some fake news.

The Russian ad buy has been established as factual, it seems.

But FaceBook it says it can't find the ads?

Case closed then, I guess. *eye roll*
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 29 Sep 2017, 04:05

Paging Jimbo: I don't think there's any actual dispute about the facts here. If you want to debate what the facts mean, then have at it.

Or just let us know you've gone off to some festival or something.

Anyway,

“First of all, can you explain to us why Sudan was removed?” a reporter asked Trump. “And second of all, how does the travel ban work in North Korea that doesn’t allow their people out of their country?”

“Well, the people — yeah, the people allowed — certain countries — but we can add countries very easily and we can take countries away,” Trump said.

The reporter asked Trump what Sudan did to have themselves removed from the ban.

“And as far as the travel ban is concerned,” he said, “whatever it is, I want the toughest travel ban you can have. So I’ll see you in Indiana. We’re going to go over some more points that have not been talked about.”

And that was that.


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-sudan-t ... 679e56a93/

Words matter.

In the past week, the president restated his view that assertions of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election are a “hoax.” He has said this before. In repeating himself on the topic, including at a political rally on Saturday in Alabama, he is doing more than ignoring the evidence that has emerged over the months of Justice Department and congressional investigations, in investigative reporting, and in Facebook’s recent disclosures about Russian-financed campaign advertising. He is denying the evidence. He is saying that beliefs about Russia electioneering are untrue. And he is making a still broader claim: that any claim to the contrary is a hoax—a deliberate deception or fraud.

This is a serious move, not one to be dismissed as mere political positioning. It matters that a president charged with faithfully executing the laws deliberately and continuously misrepresents to the public the grounds for an ongoing criminal investigation. And it is not a course he can pursue without consequences for his personal exposure in the investigation or in an impeachment proceeding.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 29 Sep 2017, 06:42

Snarfyguy wrote:Paging Jimbo: I don't think there's any actual dispute about the facts here. If you want to debate what the facts mean, then have at it.

Or just let us know you've gone off to some festival or something.



Actually I have been preparing to go to a festival next weekend, Asagiri Jam, a two day outing at the actual foot of Mt. Fuji - unlike Fuji Rock which is nowhere near Mt. Fuji (but it used to be).

The CN link, which I support, above is what you need to debate.

But speaking for myself, I favor detante and cooperation with Russia in these crazy times. Putin is not a mad man nor a crazy killer nor, as Hillary said, "Hitler." For proof of Putin's level headedness and sanity see the hours and hours of the Oliver Stone interview. The dude is cool. But those who choose to not see the goodness of Putin - a substantial section of the US political elite, the NYT and WAPO - they are doing their best to sabotage any chance of detante. Now, is it a fact that "Russia" bought FB ads which sought to influence voters to vote Trump? I know, for instance, TYT (Hillary leaners) reported this as a fact and while admitting it was small potatoes it was, they said, at last, something that proved "Russia's" involvement in the election. Have you seen an ad, even as an illustration in a news story? It's all bullshit. The deep state, the CIA, Pentagon, the merchants of war, they want instability. They prefer war.

A while back Sloop called me out for shouting "War!" (Or "wolf" the Count would say) so often and wondered war, what war? The US isn't at war. I contend that we are lied to so much because, as the saying goes, truth is the first casualty of war.

War, what war?

It isn't WWII, storming French beaches or nuking Japan, but think about today and how many bases we have around the world, how much money we spend on the military, how many secret ops we are running, how many other countries' wars we are backing, all the hi tech surveillance. Jesus, we are not at a shooting war today but we are on a mega-Bigfoot sized war footing. So of course we are being lied to, gaslighted, bamboozled, scapegoating Russia, Muslims, and even Donald Trump. The dude merely says he'd favor good relations with Putin, BAM! And after much cajoling, FB somehow pries from it's gazzilions of zeros and ones something that may be Russia attempting to take over America via some what, Facebook ads? Show me one.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 29 Sep 2017, 22:08

Price offers to pay back for private flights and is fired anyway. These guys should get their stories straight.

Last night, on a cable news show, I watched Price railing against politicians taking charter flights years ago.

What is up with this shit?
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Postby Sneelock » 29 Sep 2017, 22:20

"We're gonna get all the best people!"

In Putin News....

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sloopjohnc » 29 Sep 2017, 22:43

Snarfyguy wrote:
Jimbo wrote:Ooh, Facebook found Russia-bought ads proving they meddled with America's democracy. :o

Obama tried to give Zuckerberg a wake-up call over fake news on Facebook

Facebook announced on Sept. 21 that it would turn over copies of 3,000 political ads brought by Russian accounts during the 2016 election, after previously showing some to congressional investigators. (The Washington Post)

By Adam Entous, Elizabeth Dwoskin and Craig Timberg September 24 https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... 7e2223a915


Another load of fake news from the Hillary loving sore losers at the Washington Post. Watch how Robert Parry again dissects these vermin and exposes the rot at the top to sunlight.

So, Facebook initially – after extensive searching – did not find evidence of a Russian operation. Then, after continued pressure from high-level Democrats, Facebook continued to scour its system and again found nothing, or as the Post article acknowledged, Facebook “had searched extensively for evidence of foreign purchases of political advertising but had come up short.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/25/w ... a-bashing/

I challenge any of you to give me an example of Russia-generated fake news. Go to RT and Sputnik if you must and bring Jimbo some fake news.

The Russian ad buy has been established as factual, it seems.

But FaceBook it says it can't find the ads?

Case closed then, I guess. *eye roll*


Twitter too with Russian accounts. It's funny how they can sell very specific customer data, but when the government comes a calling, suddenly they can't find anything.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 30 Sep 2017, 01:04

sloopjohnc wrote:The Russian ad buy has been established as factual, it seems.

But FaceBook it says it can't find the ads?

Case closed then, I guess. *eye roll*


Twitter too with Russian accounts. It's funny how they can sell very specific customer data, but when the government comes a calling, suddenly they can't find anything.[/quote]


Because there are no ads, nothing that shows that someone in the Kremlin tried to meddle in the election via Twitter or FB. It's just another bullshit lie, more fake news, another throw at the wall to see what sticks bumbling attempt to smear-Russia-smear Trump from our stellar non-partisan media.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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sloopjohnc wrote:The Russian ad buy has been established as factual, it seems.

But FaceBook it says it can't find the ads?

Case closed then, I guess. *eye roll*

Twitter too with Russian accounts. It's funny how they can sell very specific customer data, but when the government comes a calling, suddenly they can't find anything.



Because there are no ads, nothing that shows that someone in the Kremlin tried to meddle in the election via Twitter or FB. It's just another bullshit lie, more fake news, another throw at the wall to see what sticks bumbling attempt to smear-Russia-smear Trump from our stellar non-partisan media.
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The Puerto Rico response is pure racism
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Jimbo wrote:
sloopjohnc wrote:The Russian ad buy has been established as factual, it seems.

But FaceBook it says it can't find the ads?

Case closed then, I guess. *eye roll*

Twitter too with Russian accounts. It's funny how they can sell very specific customer data, but when the government comes a calling, suddenly they can't find anything.



Because there are no ads, nothing that shows that someone in the Kremlin tried to meddle in the election via Twitter or FB. It's just another bullshit lie, more fake news, another throw at the wall to see what sticks bumbling attempt to smear-Russia-smear Trump from our stellar non-partisan media.

But 20 seconds on Google shows that FaceBook has agreed to turn over 3,000 of these ads to Congress, and has already done so for Mueller's investigation.

In early September, Facebook said it had identified $150,000 of political ads purchased by fake accounts linked to Russia. It attributed about $100,000 of the total, or 3,000 ads, to 470 accounts related to a Russian propaganda group called Internet Research Agency. It found another 2,000 ads worth $50,000 by searching for ads purchased through US internet addresses whose accounts were set to the Russian language.


https://www.wired.com/story/what-we-kno ... nd-russia/

So again, these facts are not in contention (at least by anyone participating in consensus reality). If you're just going to maintain this is "fake news" then there's no point engaging with you.

Enjoy the festival! :)
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Snarfyguy wrote:

Because there are no ads, nothing that shows that someone in the Kremlin tried to meddle in the election via Twitter or FB. It's just another bullshit lie, more fake news, another throw at the wall to see what sticks bumbling attempt to smear-Russia-smear Trump from our stellar non-partisan media.

But 20 seconds on Google shows that FaceBook has agreed to turn over 3,000 of these ads to Congress, and has already done so for Mueller's investigation.

In early September, Facebook said it had identified $150,000 of political ads purchased by fake accounts linked to Russia. It attributed about $100,000 of the total, or 3,000 ads, to 470 accounts related to a Russian propaganda group called Internet Research Agency. It found another 2,000 ads worth $50,000 by searching for ads purchased through US internet addresses whose accounts were set to the Russian language.

https://www.wired.com/story/what-we-kno ... nd-russia/

So again, these facts are not in contention (at least by anyone participating in consensus reality). If you're just going to maintain this is "fake news" then there's no point engaging with you.


The Wired site won't let me in.

I asked you to argue the CN story, not me. Did you read the Parry piece I posted? If you had you would see what bullshit, what a nothingburger the FB Twitter-Russia story is. You would see what a pittance a $150,000 ad buy is to FB. Maybe the Wired story has it but I'd like to see one of the ads. Maybe you can paste it here. Besides, with CIA contracts being so lucrative, FB will do backflips to please the US government and so they went nuts trying to find something, anything which could might maybe possibly have a link to Russia, or somewhere near Russia, like Europe.

If you don't see that this story is just another link, another diversion in the neocon game then you are not a Russian stooge, you are an American stooge.
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Count Machuki wrote:The Puerto Rico response is pure racism
There. I said it


A day later I see this

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Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 30 Sep 2017, 15:46

The invisible and the non-existing very much look alike.

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An island full of white people would have been looked after.
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Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 30 Sep 2017, 17:22

Count Machuki wrote:An island full of white people would have been looked after.


Yes. It is extremely sad. I guess we've used up all words by now that can possibly describe what's going on here.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Aside from all the repugnant hypocrisy coming out of his lie-hole, can his claim that there are 10,000 federal workers on the island possibly be true? Where do they put that many workers?

Is the gov't doing everything it can, keeping in mind the logistical obstacles? Are they air-dropping supplies and that sort of thing?
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Postby Snarfyguy » 30 Sep 2017, 21:46

Jimbo wrote:The CN link, which I support, above is what you need to debate.

Even Parry doesn't dispute that the ads exist. What I'm getting out of that article (it's REALLY LONG) is that he considers the WaPo and the NYT to be purveyors of sloppy, biased reporting. I'm not going to argue that; I have nothing invested in those papers.

But this is a rabbit hole I'm not going down. What to make of his charge that

[T]here is nothing in the Post’s article acknowledging that nothing from the various Democratic email disclosures, which have been blamed on Russia (again without real evidence), has been identified as untrue. So, how can truthful information, whether you like how it was obtained or not, be “fake news” or “disinformation”?


Well, that's not what article's about, so in what way is such an acknowledgement lacking?

Anyway, Zuckerberg himself now publicly regrets shrugging off the ad-influence notion, conceding there's a valid issue there. But this is small potatoes when the heads and former heads of all our intelligence agencies maintain that Russia interfered in the election through a variety of means.

Trump maintains this is a "hoax," but ask yourself a question: how would he be in a position to know that, contra the collective wisdom of all the intelligence heads (who work for him, let's not forget)? How could he possibly know with certainty that, say, an agent of Manafort's didn't buy these ads, or otherwise have some dirty connection to any Russian players? How is it plausible that he *knows* that every conceivable connection among his gang and Russia is just a smear? Answer: he cannot possibly know that to be true, ergo he's lying.

I think this is the kind of stuff we need to keep an eye on instead of demanding to be shown the evidence while the investigation is proceeding.

Jimbo wrote:Show me one [of the ads].


If/when Mueller brings charges, he'll be bound to have evidence, so I don't know why you're asking me for it. I'm not even on FaceBook.

I trust this settles the matter. :)
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Snarfyguy wrote: I'm not even on FaceBook.


More the pity
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 01 Oct 2017, 00:52

Snarfyguy wrote: What I'm getting out of that article (it's REALLY LONG) is that he considers the WaPo and the NYT to be purveyors of sloppy, biased reporting. I'm not going to argue that; I have nothing invested in those papers.


This, however, is Parry's point. He doesn't favor Trump or even Putin, for that matter. He favors accuracy in journalism and if the NYT and WAPO, America's most influential papers, are "purveyors of sloppy, biased reporting" then he is calling them out. Their opinions can lead the US into war al a the "sloppy, biased reporting" about aluminum tubes and the Iraq war.
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