Former President Donald J. Trump

[Jimbo]

Remember how we said that the indicted Russians - the troll farmers - would never show up, that they would evade US law by staying put in Russia? Well somebody called Mueller's bluff.

Mueller Scrambles To Limit Evidence After Indicted Russians Actually Show Up In Court

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... show-court

[Davey the Fat Boy]

Having already seen on live TV the meeting/photo-op and then read some reports of what the signed deal says I then listened to day-old podcasts predicting what might happen at the meeting and they were mostly wrong. Before naysaying what you think may happen I suggest withholding snark, relaxing and seeing what unfolds. It may surprise us in good ways.

Nah. Garbage in, garbage out.

[Snarfyguy]

Remember how we said that the indicted Russians - the troll farmers - would never show up, that they would evade US law by staying put in Russia? Well somebody called Mueller's bluff.

Mueller Scrambles To Limit Evidence After Indicted Russians Actually Show Up In Court

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... show-court

If you follow the link back to zero hedge's source, Bloomberg News, you'll find a more even-handed appraisal of what today's filing means.

It's a request to prevent Mueller's legwork from appearing in the papers. Obviously, federal investigations don't proceed in public; that would defeat the whole point of gathering evidence. You understand why this is, right?

The idea is that when the prosecution decides what evidence is wants to present at trial, then the Court and the defense (and no one else) get(s) it. The But the Bloomberg article fails to mention this somehow, making it sound like there's some kind of shady business afoot. This is how it always works, if I'm not mistaken. Mueller's under no obligation to divulge the entire contents of his files to any defendant.

Is Mueller's filing in response to a request that he do so? Is that what's happening? Gotta hop on the online docket from work tomorrow.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... troll-case

[Jimbo]

Remember how we said that the indicted Russians - the troll farmers - would never show up, that they would evade US law by staying put in Russia? Well somebody called Mueller's bluff.

Mueller Scrambles To Limit Evidence After Indicted Russians Actually Show Up In Court

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... show-court

If you follow the link back to zero hedge's source, Bloomberg News, you'll find a more even-handed appraisal of what today's filing means.

It's a request to prevent Mueller's legwork from appearing in the papers. Obviously, federal investigations don't proceed in public; that would defeat the whole point of gathering evidence. You understand why this is, right?

The idea is that when the prosecution decides what evidence is wants to present at trial, then the Court and the defense (and no one else) get(s) it. The But the Bloomberg article fails to mention this somehow, making it sound like there's some kind of shady business afoot. This is how it always works, if I'm not mistaken. Mueller's under no obligation to divulge the entire contents of his files to any defendant.

Is Mueller's filing in response to a request that he do so? Is that what's happening? Gotta hop on the online docket from work tomorrow.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... troll-case

Thanks for that but I - as one of many who think the whole Russia meddling thing is crap - read the Bloomberg report my takeaway is that prosecutor Mueller recognizes his obligation to divulge/share what evidence he has with the defense team but adds a new caveat that

Defense lawyers for Concord say they should be able to share evidence with Prigozhin, but Mueller disagrees. “As long as Prigozhin chooses not to appear personally in front of this court, he is not entitled to review any discovery in this case,” the filing said.

A question for the Baron. Must the defendant appear in person for the prosecutor to hand over its discovery evidence to his lawyer?

If what Mueller has gathered already is super sensitive, top secret, need to know, CIA eyes only, ways and methods kind of stuff it is understandable he'd like to keep it secret. Divulging that would endanger America. Or maybe it's an embarrassing pile of crap.

[Sneelock]

I guess column b.

[Jimbo]

There are many, many perfectly valid things to criticize the Trump administration for. Opening up peace talks with North Korea is not one of them, and anyone who says it is is not a friend of humanity. The fact that nobody on either side of the aisle seems to have their foot anywhere near the brake pedal when it comes to war should concern us all, and we need to do something about it.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/cent ... e8e3cd1c64

I do love me some Catlain!

[Davey the Fat Boy]

There are many, many perfectly valid things to criticize the Trump administration for. Opening up peace talks with North Korea is not one of them, and anyone who says it is is not a friend of humanity. The fact that nobody on either side of the aisle seems to have their foot anywhere near the brake pedal when it comes to war should concern us all, and we need to do something about it.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/cent ... e8e3cd1c64

I do love me some Catlain!

So...this is going to be the week that he “becomes President” - eh Jimbo? Wanna buy a bridge?

In the abstract, peace talks with anyone seem like a good thing. But sending in a blowhard who isn’t even curious enough to fully understand the geopolitical context of the moment he is walking into probably isn’t a good thing.

This is the same US President who has already created tension with allies like Canada, Mexico and Australia. It is the same President who tore up treaties like the Paris accord and the Iran deal for no good reason other than to make his predecessor look bad.

This guy is capable of playacting around the optics of a summit. But there is no reason to believe that he has any strategy to guide him in negotiations.

So Jimbo...would the quote you just gave us still be true if we were sending my labradoodle to negotiate peace with North Korea? Because there’s about as much chance of her backing into a deal for lasting peace as Trump.

[Jimbo]

Trump Nominated For Nobel Peace Price... By Norway
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... ice-norway

[Davey the Fat Boy]

Trump Nominated For Nobel Peace Price... By Norway
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... ice-norway

He wasn’t nominated “by Norway”. He was nominated by two members of the FrP party.

Here’s a little snapshot of the FrP:

https://www.tnp.no/norway/politics/frp- ... -elections

[Snarfyguy]

The byline for Jimbo's source is "Tyler Durden," which goes some way toward telling me what I need to know about zerohedge.

Anyway, Manafort's team appears to have scored a point against Mueller, but I don't understand how, or what it means, and I don't have time to figure it out this morning.

[Sneelock]

So Jimbo...would the quote you just gave us still be true if we were sending my labradoodle to negotiate peace with North Korea? Because there’s about as much chance of her backing into a deal for lasting peace as Trump.

At least your labradoodle wouldn’t be going around flapping it’s gums that it had just singlehandedly made the world a safer place because ii is JUST SO SMART. ACK.

Hey, maybe Kim WILL build some condos on that beautiful coast. He could throw some prisoners in there. Better yet, he could make them sweatshops - i’m Sure his new pal would be cool with that. Might need an electrical grid first but why get lost in the details?

[Snarfyguy]

In a world where this passes for diplomacy:



I guess the USA played this on an iPad for Kim? Really, that's what they say.

Someone at the NY Times made a pretty good send-up of it. Can't figger out how to embed, but it's here:

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/1 ... d=pl-share

[Snarfyguy]

New York State Attorney General sues Trump, 3 eldest children, over misuse of charity funds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... f85e033c48

[Hightea]

Really getting frightened by the support this pig gets as president. Never thought he could get a second term let alone make it though a first term.
This is not the USA I hoped for! Separated States of America

[Sneelock]

Manafort is going to jail. I think it's just so he won't skip bail but I'm waiting for the other "witch hunt" shoe to drop.

[Snarfyguy]

Manafort is going to jail. I think it's just so he won't skip bail but I'm waiting for the other "witch hunt" shoe to drop.

Cohen signals openness to cooperating with federal investigators
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics ... index.html

Hah! Well played, Mr. Mueller.

[Jimbo]

I had speculated early on that Trump may be getting his news and views from sites similar to the ones I read and not from the "lying NYT." Maybe he knows something we haven't been told.

North Korea has been baselessly labelled a human rights abuser based on “witness testimony” gathered from defectors living outside of North Korea – the United States is openly pursuing itself or sponsoring multiple wars of aggression around the globe – each replete with extensively documented human rights abuses based not only on witness testimony, but also on photographic, video, and physical evidence collected onsite.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/tales-of- ... on/5644339

With this in mind, with me kind of siding with NK over USA, with me nonetheless feeling a positive vibe over the Trump-Kim meeting, there is this analysis that says once moves get underway to denuclearize and pacify NK, the US - following its usual course - will likely break with any treaties and fuck NK.

The historical record isn’t encouraging. Betrayal defined US/North Korea relations before. Nothing positive between both countries ever happened. Earlier deals agreed on collapsed, Washington fully to blame, not Pyongyang.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-view- ... d_articles

[copehead]

I had speculated early on that Trump may be getting his news and views from sites similar to the ones I read and not from the "lying NYT." Maybe he knows something we haven't been told.

North Korea has been baselessly labelled a human rights abuser based on “witness testimony” gathered from defectors living outside of North Korea – the United States is openly pursuing itself or sponsoring multiple wars of aggression around the globe – each replete with extensively documented human rights abuses based not only on witness testimony, but also on photographic, video, and physical evidence collected onsite.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/tales-of- ... on/5644339

With this in mind, with me kind of siding with NK over USA, with me nonetheless feeling a positive vibe over the Trump-Kim meeting, there is this analysis that says once moves get underway to denuclearize and pacify NK, the US - following its usual course - will likely break with any treaties and fuck NK.

The historical record isn’t encouraging. Betrayal defined US/North Korea relations before. Nothing positive between both countries ever happened. Earlier deals agreed on collapsed, Washington fully to blame, not Pyongyang.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-view- ... d_articles

Oh Jimbo

[Snarfyguy]

The White House is scrambling to present a coherent message on its policy of separating unlawful entrants' children from their parents in light of scathing criticism.

ProPublica published audio of young children separated from their parents screaming and crying inside of a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility. In the recording, an agent can be heard joking at their expense. “We have an orchestra here,” he says.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... efing.html

The practice certainly does seem barbaric.

[Brickyard Jack]

This separating families thing is just evil. It is exactly the sort of thing carried out by the worst dictators.