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in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby kath » 03 Nov 2017, 02:53

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Anyhow...I’ve already seen Parry pull the WWIII/Nuclear War scare tactic too many times to ever even consider him as a credible source.

Doing that even once ought to get a “journalist” booted out of the profession.


i'm honestly worried about the situation in north korea.  not becuz of any scare tactics from parry (i haven't read any of his stuff on that) or any other journalist.  trump has made it repeatedly clear what his solution is, and it isn't diplomatic.  i recall about a month ago that adm james stravidis said when gauging the difference between trump's bully, blustering cocque-slinging comments and any reality of impending war, he said to watch actions and the group deployments.  in the space of a week last week, two more carrier attack groups were sent to join the one already there.

trump also amended the executive order under bush's terrorist act to be able to call into service retired and reserve military.

then today, mcmaster said NK might be classified as a terrorist nation, based on kim's assassination of his brother.... which would, of course, continue to make it easier to bypass congressional approval by relying on that same bush era terrorism rule.

these actions are facts.  how i interpret them is opinion.  mine.

just sayin.  i am not at all comfortable with these actions.

and i am not a scaremonger or a paranoid fucquer.  this would be the biggest thing i would love to be proven wrong about.

but i think it smells to high heaven.  i should rest assured that trump, in his infinite wisdom and political savvy, will fix this powder keg on his asian tour. (something tells me the carrier attack groups won't leave when he does, though.)

p.s.  yeah, i have no problem discussing the idea that trump would start a war solely as... diversion.  more opinion.  mine.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 03 Nov 2017, 03:58

Copehead wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/02/russian-hacking-beyond-us-election-digital-hitlist

The Fancy Bear mask slips, just a Kremlin front

Like that will surprise anyone at all

I think Jimbo -- and I would say this to his face, in all kindness -- is always going to prefer the counter-narrative of the "repressed minority opinion" to prevailing consensus reality. Whatever, getting him to agree to something isn't *my* job. Everybody buys in to their own version of things to some extent.

Not sure the back-and-forth is productive though, but whatever! :)
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 03 Nov 2017, 04:45

And here's another curveball. Can't remember where I heard it, maybe Scott Horton podcast, but one good reason Kim is pissed is because the NKs discovered intel on US plans to assassinate his daddy. Kinda like how W felt about Saddam. We had agreements with NK and we broke them. We had agreements with Russia and we broke them. MLK said the United States is “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” How's that for a repressed minority opinion? Good thing Martin wasn't a BCBer, offending everyone and such.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 03 Nov 2017, 04:53

Jimbo, let’s say I’m a pickpocket & it’s my day off. I go to pay for dinner but somebody stole my wallet! Do I get to call the cops? Sure, I’m a rotten guy but I’m calling the cops.

Yeah, lots of people do lots of bad shit. But we can only deal with one sack of shit at a time. I would LOVE to hear a more robust discussion of US destabilizing and interfering in other governments. Our civil rights are under attack - no doubt in my mind about that. We should talk about that. But, whether those discussion happen or not - somebody stole our wallet!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby kath » 03 Nov 2017, 04:56

Snarfyguy wrote:Not sure the back-and-forth is productive though, but whatever! :)


maybe i agree. whatever.

end. of. thread. then.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Sneelock wrote:Jimbo, let’s say I’m a pickpocket & it’s my day off. I go to pay for dinner but somebody stole my wallet! Do I get to call the cops? Sure, I’m a rotten guy but I’m calling the cops.

Yeah, lots of people do lots of bad shit. But we can only deal with one sack of shit at a time. I would LOVE to hear a more robust discussion of US destabilizing and interfering in other governments. Our civil rights are under attack - no doubt in my mind about that. We should talk about that. But, whether those discussion happens or not - somebody stole our wallet!


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 03 Nov 2017, 06:34

kath,

I definitely worry about North Korea and nukes (and Trump in general with nukes). But Parry’s argument is that our investigations of Trump’s Russia problem could cause WWIII because of anti-Russia sentiment.

It’s a patently ridiculous argument, as Russia has never been as popular in America as it is now since it became a GOP booster club.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 03 Nov 2017, 07:41

This link seems apropos today...but it’s not just a problem because of the right wing media. There’s an entire ecosystem of bullshit targeting leftys like Jimbo.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... mic-crisis
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 03 Nov 2017, 14:14

This. THIS is how I feel. Robert Sheer packs it all in there. Russia, Democrats, Republicans, McCarthyism, fake news, Trump, Clinton, Putin, CIA, nationalism, Communism, North Korea, WWIII, China, immigration, the internet, NYT, WAPO … whew!

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby The Great Defector » 03 Nov 2017, 15:01

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41854482

Twitter employee 'deactivated' Trump account on last day


Going out in style. :lol:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 03 Nov 2017, 18:18

the White House signs off on a government report acknowledging the human factor in climate change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/clim ... eport.html
does this mean we WILL join the Paris accord?
does this mean global warming is NOT a plot of the Chinese?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Sneelock wrote:the White House signs off on a government report acknowledging the human factor in climate change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/clim ... eport.html
does this mean we WILL join the Paris accord?
does this mean global warming is NOT a plot of the Chinese?

It means whoever approved the release of that report is in BIG TROUBLE!

Try this on on for size:

Trump administration recommends uranium mining in the Grand Canyon

The move would raise no additional revenue but would put drinking water for millions at risk.


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-adminis ... 9e04080d5/

And there are dozens of other, equally disheartening stories, emerging every day! :|
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 07 Nov 2017, 02:07

The latest cluster bomb from Parry is loaded with Russia myth debunking bomb-lets.

The anti-Russian madness has reached such extremes that even when you say something that’s obviously true – but that RT, the Russian television network, also reported – you are attacked for spreading “Russian propaganda.” ...We saw that when former Democratic National Committee chairwoman Donna Brazile disclosed in her new book that she considered the possibility of replacing Hillary Clinton on the Democratic ticket after Clinton’s public fainting spell and worries about her health.

Though there was a video of Clinton’s collapse on Sept. 11, 2016, followed by her departure from the campaign trail to fight pneumonia – not to mention her earlier scare with blood clots – the response from a group of 100 Clinton supporters was to question Brazile’s patriotism: “It is particularly troubling and puzzling that she would seemingly buy into false Russian-fueled propaganda, spread by both the Russians and our opponents about our candidate’s health.”

In other words, the go-to excuse for everything these days is to blame the Russians and smear anyone who says anything – no matter how true – if it also was reported on RT


Just as Sen. Joe McCarthy liked to haul suspected “communists” and “fellow-travelers” before his committee in the 1950s, the New McCarthyism has its own witch-hunt hearings, such as last week’s Senate grilling of executives from Facebook, Twitter and Google for supposedly allowing Russians to have input into the Internet’s social networks.


The U.S. government fields legions of publicists, propagandists, paid journalists, psy-ops specialists, contractors and non-governmental organizations to promote Washington’s positions and undermine rivals through information warfare.

The CIA has an entire bureaucracy dedicated to propaganda and disinformation, with some of those efforts farmed out to newer entities such as the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) or paid for by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). NATO has a special command in Latvia that undertakes “strategic communications.”


Israel is another skilled player in this field,


Twitter’s attorney also said the company conducted a separate analysis from information provided by unidentified “third party sources” who pointed toward accounts supposedly controlled by the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency (IRA), totaling 2,752 accounts…And, to put that number in some perspective, Twitter claims 330 million active monthly users, which makes the 2,752 accounts less than 0.001 percent of the total.


Social media also was a favorite of the U.S. government in Ukraine in 2013-14 when the Maidan protests exploited these platforms to help destabilize and ultimately overthrow the elected government of Ukraine, the key event that launched the New Cold War with Russia.


Indeed, one argument for believing that Putin and the Kremlin might have “meddled” in last year’s U.S. election is that they could have felt it was time to give the United States a taste of its own medicine.


the emails were not “disinformation”; they were both real and, in many cases, newsworthy. The DNC emails provided evidence that the DNC unethically tilted the playing field in favor of Clinton and against Sen. Bernie Sanders, a point that Brazile also discovered in reviewing staffing and financing relationships that Clinton had with the DNC under the prior chairwoman, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.


the U.S. mainstream narrative has shifted, in part, because the evidence of Russian election “meddling” was so shaky. Under intense congressional pressure to find something, Facebook reported $100,000 in allegedly “Russian-linked” ads purchased in 2015-17, but noted that only 44 percent were bought before the election…the storyline was transformed into some vague Russian scheme to exacerbate social tensions in the United States by taking different sides of hot-button issues, such as police brutality against blacks [and} The estimate of how many Americans may have seen one of these “Russian-linked” ads also keeps growing, now up to as many as 126 million or about one-third of the U.S. population. Of course, the way the Internet works – with any item possibly going viral – you might as well say the ads could have reached billions of people.


Did Putin conspire with Trump to extend a bloody war as Nixon did with the South Vietnamese leaders? Did Putin lengthen the captivity of U.S. hostages to give Trump a political edge? Did Putin manipulate U.S. policy in the Middle East to entice President George W. Bush to invade Iraq and set the region ablaze, as Israel’s Netanyahu did? Is Putin even now pushing for wider Mideast wars, as Netanyahu is?


Why? The answer seems to be the widespread hatred for President Trump combined with vested interests in favor of whipping up the New Cold War.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 08 Nov 2017, 22:29

Tuesday was very encouraging. I’m glad so many people got out to vote. There’s no substitute for that especially since it looks like a lot of TRUMP voters are not, in any way, questioning their support.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 08 Nov 2017, 22:57

^^^ That Trump tweet about Gillespie. *eye roll*

"Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for."

WTF, the guy lost by being a Trump proxy - and then the boss throws him down the stairs. If there such a thing as karma I hope it gets here by next year.
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Postby Tactful Cactus » 09 Nov 2017, 17:36

That mini election yesterday was a great result for the Dems (and the world). Keep it up! Win more seats next year, impeach the cunt and throw his kids in jail*


*except Barron

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Barron might grow up to be a great American. I mean, stranger things have happened.
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Postby Jimbo » 09 Nov 2017, 17:46

You might want to know that Trump is not doing too bad of a job here in Asia on this trip. He hasn't been overly obnoxious and, well, he may come away with some deals or something. He seems to be acting pretty presidential.
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Sneelock wrote:Barron might grow up to be a great American. I mean, stranger things have happened.



He's good with the cyber.

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Postby Sneelock » 09 Nov 2017, 17:51

Jimbo wrote:You might want to know that Trump is not doing too bad of a job here in Asia on this trip. He hasn't been overly obnoxious and, well, he may come away with some deals or something. He seems to be acting pretty presidential.

Sure, all he has to do is bask in their praise. He’s a world class basker!

It seems to me that China and Japan have rich histories of lavishing visitors with pageantry and little else. TRUMP loves flattery. He’s getting plenty of that but I’m not sure America will be getting much out of it. We’ll see.
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