President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Aug 2017, 17:19

The Great Defector wrote:Ok, TMH, but I was talking to Davey. We're never gonna see eye to eye on this so let's leave eh. Enjoy your new thread.


I am asking that you please use it when discussing any cake matters that are not related to the subject of this thread.

Perhaps we can "see eye to eye" on that much?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 10 Aug 2017, 17:19

the thing is, if North Korea "backs down" it can't look that way to North Koreans. don't you think? I mean, this guy's JOB is to be the pie in the sky and backing down doesn't really seem to be in his or his Dad's playbook.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Aug 2017, 17:23

Classic Rock Sneelock wrote:the thing is, if North Korea "backs down" it can't look that way to North Koreans. don't you think? I mean, this guy's JOB is to be the pie in the sky and backing down doesn't really seem to be in his or his Dad's playbook.


Anybody got any friends in Guam? :cry:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 10 Aug 2017, 19:13

from the Daily Kos: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8 ... aunders-it

Building on reporting from the Financial Times, the piece lays out a pretty plausible argument for Trump simply being a stooge for these Russian oligarchs who needed money laundering services after U.S. banking regulations were tightened in the early 00s. Solution? Real estate!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 10 Aug 2017, 23:04

will the forehead slaps never end?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 5e0ccc6c79
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Charlie O. » 10 Aug 2017, 23:07

Snarfyguy wrote:from the Daily Kos: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8 ... aunders-it

Building on reporting from the Financial Times, the piece lays out a pretty plausible argument for Trump simply being a stooge for these Russian oligarchs who needed money laundering services after U.S. banking regulations were tightened in the early 00s. Solution? Real estate!

That's pretty amazing. I wonder how much of it Jimbo will read before angrily dismissing it?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 10 Aug 2017, 23:34

Charlie O. wrote:
Snarfyguy wrote:from the Daily Kos: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8 ... aunders-it

Building on reporting from the Financial Times, the piece lays out a pretty plausible argument for Trump simply being a stooge for these Russian oligarchs who needed money laundering services after U.S. banking regulations were tightened in the early 00s. Solution? Real estate!

That's pretty amazing. I wonder how much of it Jimbo will read before angrily dismissing it?


That article is a HELL of a read.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 11 Aug 2017, 01:20

Also of note, now that we know about the pre-dawn FBI raid of Manafort's house last month, is a re-examination of Trump's tweets later the same day excoriating Sessions for not having dismissed McCabe, who was the acting director of the Bureau at the time.

More obstruction? Well, the tweets did come after the raid, but it's an interesting fact pattern, if nothing else. Certainly some bad "optics" there anyway.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-called- ... 02db9ab82/
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 11 Aug 2017, 01:37

Count Machuki wrote:
Charlie O. wrote:
Snarfyguy wrote:from the Daily Kos: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8 ... aunders-it

Building on reporting from the Financial Times, the piece lays out a pretty plausible argument for Trump simply being a stooge for these Russian oligarchs who needed money laundering services after U.S. banking regulations were tightened in the early 00s. Solution? Real estate!

That's pretty amazing. I wonder how much of it Jimbo will read before angrily dismissing it?


That article is a HELL of a read.


It was. And I am more than ever convinced by the evidences therein that Trump is a crook. I have been saying all along that in his "deals" where we'll find criminality. But to make the not hacked but leaked email story the crux of the case against Trump is a ridiculous distraction and covers up his serious crimes. https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/10/t ... challenged
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 11 Aug 2017, 01:43

Well, it lets the Dems off the hook, doesn't it?
Of course that's the narrative they want.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Sneelock » 11 Aug 2017, 01:49

If they wuz robbed then everything is hunky-dory. De-corporotizing politics become a pipe dream like single payer.
They can't WAIT. to get back to business as usual. I think they're going to be sorely disappointed.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 11 Aug 2017, 02:23

Classic Rock Sneelock wrote:Well, it lets the Dems off the hook, doesn't it?
Of course that's the narrative they want.


Note how often that long Trump/Russians collusion report mentioned those "damn emails." That HRC and co. would blame their loss on a dumb lie that could spark a world war is mind boggling childish and stupid. What those emails showed was how HRC cheated and screwed the only guy who could beat Trump and get the US single payer medicine. Yes, Trump is horrid but so is Hillary. SHE is the reason Trump is in the White House now.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 11 Aug 2017, 02:25

Jimbo wrote:
Classic Rock Sneelock wrote:Well, it lets the Dems off the hook, doesn't it?
Of course that's the narrative they want.


Note how often that long Trump/Russians collusion report mentioned those "damn emails." That HRC and co. would blame their loss on a dumb lie that could spark a world war is mind boggling childish and stupid. What those emails showed was how HRC cheated and screwed the only guy who could beat Trump and get the US single payer medicine. Yes, Trump is horrid but so is Hillary. SHE is the reason Trump is in the White House now.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby toomanyhatz » 11 Aug 2017, 02:29

The e-mails show that she "played politics." I am not defending that on any level, but it's still utter bullshit that Bernie was screwed out of the nomination. It's also bullshit that he could have beaten Trump. (Yes, that last sentence is an opinion. But a strongly-held one.)
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Charlie O. » 11 Aug 2017, 02:53

Jimbo wrote:Note how often that long Trump/Russians collusion report mentioned those "damn emails."

Once in the main body of that long, long report, and once again in the timeline at the end. Not even enough to warrant using the word "often."

Jimbo wrote:That HRC and co. would blame their loss on a dumb lie that could spark a world war is mind boggling childish and stupid.

As mind boggling as you still calling this a "dumb lie"?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 11 Aug 2017, 03:18

Charlie O. wrote: As mind boggling as you still calling this a "dumb lie"?


A thousand times dumb! That those emails would be the way for Putin to make Hillary look bad when there are websites, books, movies, right wing and progressive pundits and podcasters absolutely laden with cargo containers of Hillary's baggage why would Putin, not to mention the rest of RUSSIA! focus on releasing provable and truthful DNC dirt as a boon to help Trump win. The email info is so insignificant logic alone says it was probably a disgruntled DNC worker who leaked the info. But noooo,,,, HRC had to make the emails and Putin's supposed theft of them the issue. Dumb X 1000 = Trump victory.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Charlie O. » 11 Aug 2017, 03:21

So that e-mail sent to Don Jr. = big hoax?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 11 Aug 2017, 03:27

Charlie O. wrote:So that e-mail sent to Don Jr. = big hoax?


Which, the "I love it!' email? If so that is, as the article explains about shady business deals, not dumb, political, stupidly corrupt actions by Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Donna Brazil.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

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Jimbo wrote:Which, the "I love it!' email? If so that is, as the article explains about shady business deals

Shady business deals that would come to nothing if HRC won the election. As the article explains...

The purpose of the Trump Tower meeting was spelled out in the emails Donald Trump Jr. received before the meeting was scheduled. Trump’s Russian partners—in a hierarchy that went straight up to Putin—were anxious to provide him ammunition to use against Hillary Clinton. They did so in hopes of destroying the sanctions under the Magnitsky Act, restoring the easy flow of money that all of them, including Trump, had enjoyed for so long.

C'mon, Jimbo - you love a good conspiracy - why are you not embracing this one? Too much conspiracy/not enough "theory" for you?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 11 Aug 2017, 04:20

Charlie O. wrote:
Jimbo wrote:Which, the "I love it!' email? If so that is, as the article explains about shady business deals

Shady business deals that would come to nothing if HRC won the election. As the article explains...

The purpose of the Trump Tower meeting was spelled out in the emails Donald Trump Jr. received before the meeting was scheduled. Trump’s Russian partners—in a hierarchy that went straight up to Putin—were anxious to provide him ammunition to use against Hillary Clinton. They did so in hopes of destroying the sanctions under the Magnitsky Act, restoring the easy flow of money that all of them, including Trump, had enjoyed for so long.

C'mon, Jimbo - you love a good conspiracy - why are you not embracing this one? Too much conspiracy/not enough "theory" for you?


Seeing this bit again gives me pause. The "straight up to Putin" jibe strikes me as gratuitous. That they were there under the guise to offer new dirt on Clinton and Jr. accepting the meeting is reasonable. But if the dirt was that Donna Brazil knew the debate questions in advance when all candidate Trump had to do was unload on the 1000 times more salacious and ubiquitous evidence of Clinton Foundation skullduggery, then it is most reasonable to assume the meeting was a plea to have the sanctions lifted.

Charley, my beef now is with the Democrats who are ready to make war over Russia supposedly "hacking of our democracy" when that is one, unproven and two, tiny potatoes compared to the hyper-mafia goings on between Trump and those gangsters.
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