Former President Donald J. Trump

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Charlie O. » 17 Nov 2020, 18:23

It's slightly amazing to me that he's gone almost four years without nuking anything. Literally nuking, that is.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Charlie O. » 17 Nov 2020, 18:24

I hope I didn't just jinx it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Tactful Cactus » 18 Nov 2020, 12:41

Charlie O. wrote:I hope I didn't just jinx it.


Haha... Maybe he'll point the nukes directly at America and threaten to blow up the country unless you agree to like him more.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Minnie Cheddars » 20 Nov 2020, 14:55

Giuliani’s rant was quite something wasn’t it?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Six String » 20 Nov 2020, 15:48

Minnie the Minx wrote:Giuliani’s rant was quite something wasn’t it?


Rebecca’s response was “he’s insane.” She think he and Trump are becoming senile.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Hightea » 20 Nov 2020, 16:31

Minnie the Minx wrote:Giuliani’s rant was quite something wasn’t it?


Beyond the looney bin. What the hell was dripping down his face?
The more frightening speech came from Sidney Powell (QAnon psychopath) stating "On the basis of these claims, Powell called for Republican-controlled state legislatures in swing states to disregard the election results and appoint a slate of loyal electors who would vote to re-elect President Trump, based on authority putatively resting in Article Two of the Constitution"

These people are killing the country and this will not end well. This is going to get very ugly and the republicans are still all in on the BS.

Personally while watching I was thinking

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby der Freiherr » 20 Nov 2020, 16:39

Hightea wrote:The more frightening speech came from Sidney Powell (QAnon psychopath) stating "On the basis of these claims, Powell called for Republican-controlled state legislatures in swing states to disregard the election results and appoint a slate of loyal electors who would vote to re-elect President Trump, based on authority putatively resting in Article Two of the Constitution"

These people are killing the country and this will not end well. This is going to get very ugly and the republicans are still all in on the BS.


The complicity of elected Republicans in this horrific attack on the legitimacy of our elections and, by extension, the Republic, is moving beyond simply shocking. It's totally outrageous. As others have said, Trump is going to be Trump, but his enablers (all elected Republicans apart from maybe Sasse and Romney) will truly live in infamy. I can understand harboring a little reticence about this, but the time has long since passed for that. And, of course, the biggest problem is that there are tens of millions of people who are buying into this nonsense. What happens when we get a more competent version of Trump?

I gather Congress is going to drag in the GSA hack who is refusing to "ascertain" the President-elect, and if I were on Team Biden I'd be thinking about suing to compel her to do her job, though I understand why they may not want to do that.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Lord Rother » 20 Nov 2020, 21:21

When Kimberley Guilfoyle left Fox News it apparently was a result of charges made by a female assistant that KG had sexually abused her on multiple occasions. Insisted they shared hotel rooms, insisting she sleep over at her pad when working late, often parading around naked, asking for the assistant to critique her body, getting her to massage her thighs, showing her pictures of the junk of her ex-lovers etc. etc.

Apropos of nothing much but a nice bit of gossip I wasn’t previously aware of.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby der Freiherr » 20 Nov 2020, 21:47

take5_d_shorterer wrote:If John Bonham simply didn't listen to enough Tommy Johnson or Blind Willie Mctell, that's his doing.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Charlie O. » 23 Nov 2020, 04:31

The president’s legal team was thrown into tumult Sunday when two Trump attorneys — Rudolph W. Giuliani and Jenna Ellis — released a statement abruptly distancing the campaign from a third attorney, Sidney Powell.

Giuliani, Ellis and Powell all appeared together at a news conference Thursday, when they made a range of baseless accusations about the integrity of the election. Powell, in particular, has lobbed some of the most convoluted claims, alleging a conspiracy that involved “communist money,” the late Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez and an algorithm favoring Democrats.

“Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own,” Giuliani and Ellis said in their statement Sunday. “She is not a member of the Trump Legal Team. She is also not a lawyer for the President in his personal capacity.” ...

Trump believed she was causing more harm than help, a campaign official said: “She was too crazy even for the president.”

Emphasis mine. :lol:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/22/giuliani-releases-statement-distancing-trump-campaign-lawyer-sidney-powell/
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Hightea » 24 Nov 2020, 16:13

Charlie O. wrote:
The president’s legal team was thrown into tumult Sunday when two Trump attorneys — Rudolph W. Giuliani and Jenna Ellis — released a statement abruptly distancing the campaign from a third attorney, Sidney Powell.

Giuliani, Ellis and Powell all appeared together at a news conference Thursday, when they made a range of baseless accusations about the integrity of the election. Powell, in particular, has lobbed some of the most convoluted claims, alleging a conspiracy that involved “communist money,” the late Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez and an algorithm favoring Democrats.

“Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own,” Giuliani and Ellis said in their statement Sunday. “She is not a member of the Trump Legal Team. She is also not a lawyer for the President in his personal capacity.” ...

Trump believed she was causing more harm than help, a campaign official said: “She was too crazy even for the president.”

Emphasis mine. :lol:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/22/giuliani-releases-statement-distancing-trump-campaign-lawyer-sidney-powell/


This was so bizarro. First the three of them together and then bam Sidney no longer part of the team. The whole Chavez was part of the conspiracy is just so strange much like many of the QAnon conspiracy.

At least the transition is starting and it looks like Trump will step down in January. Got I hope we don't have to go thru more of this stuff until Jan 20.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Six String » 24 Nov 2020, 16:30

There’s a Trump pinata hanging at the tasting room at Two Rivers Cider, my friend’s place. His Honduran mother-in-law made it last year while she was visiting. I asked Vince last night whe; we were going to “pop” it and he said “ when he concedes.” When I reminded him that might not ever happen he said “January 20th.” I want to be there at the very least and hope I get a swing at it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby ` » 24 Nov 2020, 22:23

Nice pre-Thanksgiving HL in the Guardian

‘Lame duck pardons turkey’

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby der Freiherr » 25 Nov 2020, 21:31

And so the Lame Duck Pardon Party begins!

Will Flynn be the most obviously guilty member of the governing elite to get the pardon? Time will tell!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Charlie O. » 25 Nov 2020, 21:55

Will he attempt to pardon himself?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby der Freiherr » 25 Nov 2020, 21:58

Charlie O. wrote:Will he attempt to pardon himself?


Why the hell not?
He’s got nothing to lose.

(there’s no telling, is there!)
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby soundchaser » 25 Nov 2020, 22:48

Charlie O. wrote:Will he attempt to pardon himself?


Can you be pardoned for something you haven’t been convicted of...yet?

I have no doubt he’ll try it.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby der Freiherr » 25 Nov 2020, 22:49

soundchaser wrote:
Charlie O. wrote:Will he attempt to pardon himself?


Can you be pardoned for something you haven’t been convicted of...yet?


Yes. A prospective pardon.
Ford did it for Nixon.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Charlie O. » 25 Nov 2020, 22:52

Can one pardon oneself without admitting that one might have done something illegal?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby der Freiherr » 25 Nov 2020, 22:57

Charlie O. wrote:Can one pardon oneself without admitting that one might have done something illegal?


Whether one can pardon oneself is an unsettled issue. So Trump would have to pardon himself, be charged with a crime that the pardon would otherwise cover, and then litigate the effectiveness of the pardon. That would probably go all the way to the Supreme Court.

I’m almost certain that acceptance of the benefit of the pardon is tantamount to an admission of guilt. I’m not sure what implication issuance of the actual pardon would mean. Probably not much. But it does open up a logical puzzle of sorts if he would have to essentially admit guilt to avail himself of the pardon. If the courts said the pardon wasn’t effective could his attempt to wield it be evidence of guilt? No idea!

A pardon also removes one’s Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate oneself (since legal jeopardy is off the table).
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