President Donald J. Trump

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 13 Apr 2018, 21:32

Theory: The Scooter Libby pardon is a message to Paul Manafort.

Seems reasonable.
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Postby Harvey K-Tel » 13 Apr 2018, 21:48

I've been reading stuff to that effect, but I'd like to think that these guys (Manafort, et al.) might be surprised to discover that the guy they expect to pardon them is no longer president when the time comes (fingers' crossed).
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 14 Apr 2018, 01:56

If this is true, there may be proof of collusion:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 70264.html

I’m sure Robert Parry will rebut from the great beyond.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 14 Apr 2018, 02:14

...and now Trump orders a strike on Syria.

Getting real.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 14 Apr 2018, 06:49

So, who had four in the “ How many days after Bolton gets hired before we bomb somebody” pool?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby sneelock » 16 Apr 2018, 01:24

Trump has been rage tweeting about Comey today. “TOTAL WITCH HUNT!!!” Type stuff. I liked John Fugelsang’s response - “innocent people don’t scream”
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 16 Apr 2018, 20:13

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:If this is true, there may be proof of collusion:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 70264.html

I’m sure Robert Parry will rebut from the great beyond.

That's very interesting and now I recall reading about this quite some time ago and wondering then, as I do now, how it's possible in this day and age -- even in Eastern Europe -- to not be able to pinpoint the whereabouts of a particular individual on particular dates. Unless an individual went to great lengths to conceal those whereabouts you'd think that he'd leave a trail of hotel records, credit card purchases, public video monitoring and so on.

I guess you'd need to go through diplomatic channels to get the right permissions that allow you to access that kind of information, which I suppose is a lot of legwork.

On the other hand, might a scenario come about where Cohen is obliged to affirmatively demonstrate that he was elsewhere during the relevant time period? Hmm.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 16 Apr 2018, 20:46

Snarfyguy wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:If this is true, there may be proof of collusion:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 70264.html

I’m sure Robert Parry will rebut from the great beyond.

That's very interesting and now I recall reading about this quite some time ago and wondering then, as I do now, how it's possible in this day and age -- even in Eastern Europe -- to not be able to pinpoint the whereabouts of a particular individual on particular dates. Unless an individual went to great lengths to conceal those whereabouts you'd think that he'd leave a trail of hotel records, credit card purchases, public video monitoring and so on.

I guess you'd need to go through diplomatic channels to get the right permissions that allow you to access that kind of information, which I suppose is a lot of legwork.

On the other hand, might a scenario come about where Cohen is obliged to affirmatively demonstrate that he was elsewhere during the relevant time period? Hmm.


I read the article. Open minded. Just reading like an ordinary reader. Just below is the headline.

Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier


Then the second paragraph is this: Okay … (rubbing hands) here's the part about Trump and Russia colluding … Man oh man!

Confirmation of the trip would lend credence to a retired British spy’s report that Cohen strategized there with a powerful Kremlin figure about Russian meddling in the U.S. election.


But then three short paragraphs later …

It’s unclear whether Mueller’s investigators also have evidence that Cohen actually met with a prominent Russian...


Further down ….

If Cohen met with Russians and hackers in Prague as described in the dossier, it would provide perhaps the most compelling evidence to date that the Russians and Trump campaign aides were collaborating
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WTF kind of reporting is that? There is absolutely nothing here that indicates Cohen met a Russian dog trainer let alone a Kremlin authority.

I'm not defending Trump but showing how our media lie. And this is from McClatchy. They used to be the good guys!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby take5_d_shorterer » 16 Apr 2018, 20:51

Regarding Michael Cohen's list of clients.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 16 Apr 2018, 22:25

Jimbo wrote:WTF kind of reporting is that? There is absolutely nothing here that indicates Cohen met a Russian dog trainer let alone a Kremlin authority.

Respectfully, I think you're missing the point, namely that if Cohen is lying about his whereabouts, then he almost certainly was up to no good, that's all. If Mueller has evidence that Cohen is lying about his whereabouts, he can charge him with a crime and use that as leverage to get Cohen to spill.

Meanwhile, what will Hannity talk about on his show tonight?

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 16 Apr 2018, 23:13

sneelock wrote:So, who had four in the “ How many days after Bolton gets hired before we bomb somebody” pool?


Ooh, me! Nachos and beer on me, guys!

I read today that Trump actually talked Bolton down from a more intense bombing.
Trump! Talking somebody down!
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Postby sloopjohnc » 16 Apr 2018, 23:27

Count Machuki wrote:
sneelock wrote:So, who had four in the “ How many days after Bolton gets hired before we bomb somebody” pool?


Ooh, me! Nachos and beer on me, guys!

I read today that Trump actually talked Bolton down from a more intense bombing.
Trump! Talking somebody down!


:lol:

Doesn't surprise me. Bolton's a loon.
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Postby echolalia » 16 Apr 2018, 23:57

sloopjohnc wrote:
Count Machuki wrote:I read today that Trump actually talked Bolton down from a more intense bombing.
Trump! Talking somebody down!


:lol:

Doesn't surprise me. Bolton's a loon.

Even in today’s political climate, Bolton stands out as a particularly nasty piece of work. He’s even more loathsome than Trump, in my opinion. Let's hope they have a massive falling out, and soon.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Snarfyguy » 17 Apr 2018, 15:41

Predictable we-hardly-know-the-guy play from the White House:

On the trip south, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders sought to put distance between Trump and Cohen, saying: “I believe they’ve still got some ongoing things, but the president has a large number of attorneys, as you know.”


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trum ... ry-records
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Postby LeBaron » 19 Apr 2018, 14:34

Trump allies in the House are laying the groundwork to impeach Rosenstein or hold him in contempt to prospectively legitimize Trump firing him.

Of course, the Republicans in charge of the House and Senate will try to stymie that, but it probably doesn’t matter ...

From the Washington Post:

Many critics of Trump say congressional Republicans are, fundamentally, attempting to build a case against Rosenstein in the hopes of closing the Mueller investigation — using the battle over documents to paper over their core aim of ending a probe that has become a political and legal burden for the president. Meadows contested that suggestion in the interview Wednesday.

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At the Capitol last week, Meadows told reporters that he was ready to draft articles of impeachment for Rosenstein or push to hold the Justice official in contempt of Congress — and said congressional Republicans were willing to mount an aggressive campaign on Trump’s behalf.

“Contempt of Congress is really at the doorstep of Rod Rosenstein more than anybody else,” Meadows said.

He called contempt “the first step,” to be followed by “other tools” if the Justice Department did not produce the documents requested.

“It is certainly on the path to impeachment,” Meadows said.

Congressional Republican leaders, meanwhile, have shown limited interest in taking legislative steps to protect Mueller’s investigation.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 250afd4d82
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 20 Apr 2018, 04:52



In spite of Cenk's feeling that MSNBC effected the election outcome far more than Russia's bots, etc., he adds at the end of the video how Mueller needs to continue with the Russiagate investigation and how it is sad that the FBI will probably never investigate the US media for its collusion, interference and democracy meddling in the election, thus (IMO) giving us Trump. Good luck with prosecuting Russian criminals who will never see the inside of a US courtroom let alone a prison. But the US media moguls are there in the cushy suburbs and easily nabbed by the cops. They are the election fuckers

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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby LeBaron » 20 Apr 2018, 04:59

What crime have they committed?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Jimbo » 20 Apr 2018, 05:23

LeBaron wrote:What crime have they committed?


The same as the Russians have supposedly committed, collusion, tampering with the election, propagandizing. If those fail the legal or not test, investigate the shit out of them. Maybe they've paid off hookers or have some unpaid taxes.
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Postby Copehead » 20 Apr 2018, 10:15

Jimbo wrote:
LeBaron wrote:What crime have they committed?


The same as the Russians have supposedly committed, collusion, tampering with the election, propagandizing. If those fail the legal or not test, investigate the shit out of them. Maybe they've paid off hookers or have some unpaid taxes.


I didn't realise MSNBC were a foreign power, thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump

Postby Count Machuki » 26 Apr 2018, 17:32

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ds/558992/

In a rambling interview, the president threatened to intervene in the Justice Department, disclosed “very, very secret” meetings with North Korea, and revealed that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.


...and admitted Cohen represented him in the Stormy Daniels affair.

...and managed to incriminate himself on the most sympathetic outlet he could possibly ask for.

What a dummy. What a silly thing to do.
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