Jimbo wrote:Media: lying - largely true, especially by omission - the shit they don't tell you, man!
This is not a good defense of Trump and probably means he's even worse than we think.
Mueller: lying - probably true, that's how prosecutors win
Err, no - it's not. I'll let others with more knowledge about it than I fill you in on exactly how prosecutors win. But I'm pretty sure inventing stuff from whole cloth is generally not a good strategy.
Comey: lying - The FBI lying?
Nice rhetorical device, but there's no more substance to it than "do you really trust the FBI?" It's hearsay. A lie has to be proven, not just inferred by reputation.
Obama: lying - sure and war mongering and selling out to Wall Street.
Even if true - and your accusation is drastically oversimplified - Trump has done a million times worse. And again, there IS NOT A PRESIDENT IN HISTORY who has not been responsible for MANY innocent lives being taken. Not one. Obama is no different. Trump is no different. President Bernie would have been no different.
Clinton: lying -
Again, lots of inference. Trump's lies have been proven, again and again and again. Show me a single unbiased source that documents the lies of both and concludes that there's any comparison.
Sex assault accusers: lying - probably not but could happen.
What motivation has he given you to take his side on any issues of sexual harassment? He has not been charged with anything specific, but he has certainly displayed attitudes that create, as they say, bad optics. The POSSIBILITY that some of them MIGHT be lying certainly doesn't make any kind of case for him.
Climate Scientists: lying - Probably not.
This is quite big of you to admit.
Doctors: lying - probably not but a large majority prefer single payer.
Meaning what? They have no credibility because they don't voluntarily agree to treat people for free? This is an argument you use a lot, and again it's a spectacularly weak one. Proving motivation to lie does not prove a lie.
Mother of slain soldier: lying - no, but when Trump said that that is what her son signed up for that was true too. If we only knew what the fuck he was doing in Niger …
So he told one truth in a pack of lies to the family of a soldier who'd given his life to serve his country, presumably NOT to be left for dead. So he's not so bad, right? Here's where you scream out "BENGAZI!" I'm pretty sure Hillary did not engage in any wars of words with dead soldier's families. And here's where I vomit.
Intelligence services: lying Never!
Again with the inference. I don't necessarily trust them either but if even THEY don't want to defend him, combined with everything else, I'm more likely to take their side.
Putin: lying Sure, he's a politician but he didn't fuck with the US election, certainly not like we fucked with it ourselves and nowhere nearly like we did in Russia. It wan't Putin who beat HRC. HRC beat HRC.
Again, your leap of logic skips a few steps.
Statement one - Oh, so that's a viable excuse for Trump and Putin, but the same can be said for Hillary, and - LOCK HER UP!!
Statement two - A lot of people are saying he DID fuck with the US election and you give MANY reasons why SOME of them MIGHT be lying. So what's your evidence that he didn't? What is that based on?
Statement three - "WE fucked with it? Don't know about you, but all I did was vote. I didn't fuck with ANYTHING. What's this "we" stuff?
Statement four - So we fucked with Russia's election? Not sure what you're saying here. Who's we, and what exactly are you accusing us of?
Statement five - Can't both be true? Is there a single person here (or anywhere) that has directly said it's all Russia's fault, and Clinton ran a perfect, winning campaign? I know I haven't.