The future of the Labour Party

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Copehead » 18 Feb 2019, 10:10

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PENK wrote:What, exactly, do they hope to achieve?


They pretty much think Corbyn is toxic to the majority of left leaning voters.


Hence his winning 2 leadership elections and hitting 40% in the polls.

The only thing Corbyn is toxic too is their career opportunities, they know they are likely to be deselected and they are jumping before they are pushed to cause maximum damage.

You just know that the BBC will now ignore the Labour Party and pretend this rump of right wing fantasists are the left wing opposition to the Tories now.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Penk! » 18 Feb 2019, 10:12

The Prof wrote:
PENK wrote:What, exactly, do they hope to achieve?


They pretty much think Corbyn is toxic to the majority of left leaning voters.


Well yeah, but there are four of them. How many votes is their new party going to get? How much say are they going to have on a Brexit six weeks away?

This just seems like a temper tantrum aimed at destabilising the only opposition just when what’s needed is a strong and united opposition.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby The Prof » 18 Feb 2019, 10:28

Seven of them now. None really big voices in the Party.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Belle Lettre » 18 Feb 2019, 10:37

Thank fuck Chris Leslie's gone
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby The Prof » 18 Feb 2019, 10:46

The Independent Group

http://independentgroup.org.uk

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Copehead » 18 Feb 2019, 10:47

- @ChukaUmunna
- @MikeGapes
- @lucianaberger
- @anncoffey_mp
- @ChrisLeslieMP
- @gavinshuker
- @angelasmithmp

Nearly all the shit heels gone in one fell swoop. Happy days.

Shame that arsehole Hodge isn't among them but she is a real Meal Ticket MP and not as stupid as this bunch.

Of the 600+ claims of Labour Anti-semitism registered last year 200+ came just from her and 90% of the people she reported were not actually members of the Labour Party.

As of now of that 0.01% of the Labour membership reported for anti-semitism it seems most were not even Labour Party members and only 12 people have been expelled for real anti-semitism, there are more anti-semites than that in the Parliamentary Conservative Party.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Copehead » 18 Feb 2019, 10:47

The Prof wrote:The Independent Group

http://independentgroup.org.uk


Shame, Tory Lite had a nice ring to it.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Toby » 18 Feb 2019, 11:08

7 MPs at once is significant. Others may be tempted to follow them.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby The Modernist » 18 Feb 2019, 11:18

Toby wrote:7 MPs at once is significant. Others may be tempted to follow them.


It's notable for sure, but too little in my view to make an impact. However if the numbers double then it becomes more significant.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Diamond Dog » 18 Feb 2019, 12:37

Did anyone else see that smug grin on Ummuna's face as they walked in?
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Diamond Dog » 18 Feb 2019, 12:39

But, let's be honest here - it is a blow to Labour. Despite what you may actually think of the seven, the party has lost seven MP's. That really can't be good, no matter what some of the more rabid out there may claim.

However, if it was going to lose 7 MP's, they're as good as any 7 to lose. :D
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby The Prof » 18 Feb 2019, 13:16

I can imagine a load of Pro-European, anti-Brixit businesses and individuals that would be happy to put a load of money Umunna's way to build up war chest to fight to Remain if, as exprected, Brexit is delayed.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby yomptepi » 18 Feb 2019, 13:27

Copehead wrote:
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PENK wrote:What, exactly, do they hope to achieve?


They pretty much think Corbyn is toxic to the majority of left leaning voters.


Hence his winning 2 leadership elections and hitting 40% in the polls.

The only thing Corbyn is toxic too is their career opportunities, they know they are likely to be deselected and they are jumping before they are pushed to cause maximum damage.

You just know that the BBC will now ignore the Labour Party and pretend this rump of right wing fantasists are the left wing opposition to the Tories now.


Hard to see that predicted 400 seat majority coming to pass now Will. Time for some scientific recalculations I suspect.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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The Prof wrote:I can imagine a load of Pro-European, anti-Brixit businesses and individuals that would be happy to put a load of money Umunna's way to build up war chest to fight to Remain if, as exprected, Brexit is delayed.


Who expects that? We crash out of Europe at the end of next month with a hard Brexit. Unless we can persuade the EU to extend our membership, which, given May's cluelessness, seems impossible.

All the seven are doing is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Goat Boy » 18 Feb 2019, 14:23

PENK wrote:
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PENK wrote:What, exactly, do they hope to achieve?


They pretty much think Corbyn is toxic to the majority of left leaning voters.


Well yeah, but there are four of them. How many votes is their new party going to get? How much say are they going to have on a Brexit six weeks away?

This just seems like a temper tantrum aimed at destabilising the only opposition just when what’s needed is a strong and united opposition.


Considering the abuse and bullying Luciana Berger has been exposed to and the lack of support one can hardly blame her - and others - for jumping this toxic ship in protest.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby The Modernist » 18 Feb 2019, 14:27

In which case she should give her constituents the right to decide who should represent them.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Goat Boy » 18 Feb 2019, 14:33

How selfish of her for not sticking around.
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


Copehead wrote:a right wing cretin like Berger....bleating about racism

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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Goat Boy wrote:How selfish of her for not sticking around.


Care to address the point I was making?

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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The Modernist wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:How selfish of her for not sticking around.


Care to address the point I was making?


What point is that exactly?
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


Copehead wrote:a right wing cretin like Berger....bleating about racism

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Toby » 18 Feb 2019, 15:04

There is something in McDonnell's comments that they were elected on Corbyn''s manifesto and that, as independents, they should trigger by-elections.

The issue here is the leader though. The Tories are split on Brexit but united behind May on crucial government votes. Labour is not united and under Corbyn they never will be.

I doubt however whether this split is going to be enough unless more senior members gravitate towards them.