The future of the Labour Party

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Pansy Puff » 11 Jun 2017, 22:24

This thread is really interesting in the light of Labour's biggest swing since 1945 and 300,000 new party members in the last two weeks.

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K wrote:That's not what I mean by quoting the above, but there have been a lot of positive things written about Corbyn at PMQs but they don't get reported in many media outlets. I'm not saying everything is rosy but it seems easy to ignore anything positive and say "why isn't he opposing things?" when he is.

You've put it very well, but sadly I also agree with whoever it was who said that the experiment had failed - though it had to be tried.

Outlook is bleak.


That was me.
I'm afraid it has to be part of every Labour leader's job to deal with the press if they're giving you a hammering. And by that I don't mean kissing Dacre's arse like Gordon Brown did - I mean talking them on. Corbyn has failed because - as in so much - he hasn't really tried and doesn;t seem to give a toss.

It is a shame because there is on the whole nothing wrong with his politics - but the party does need someone with their heart in the right place who is less dogmatic. While saying you are "Seven out of ten" in favour of Europe is at face value quite a decent endorsement of the union it was always going to be torn apart by the media and his pro-EU enemies. He seems unable to modify his stance when it is necessary - even modestly.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Deebank » 12 Jun 2017, 06:34

K wrote:This thread is really interesting in the light of Labour's biggest swing since 1945 and 300,000 new party members in the last two weeks.

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Belle Lettre wrote:You've put it very well, but sadly I also agree with whoever it was who said that the experiment had failed - though it had to be tried.

Outlook is bleak.


That was me.
I'm afraid it has to be part of every Labour leader's job to deal with the press if they're giving you a hammering. And by that I don't mean kissing Dacre's arse like Gordon Brown did - I mean talking them on. Corbyn has failed because - as in so much - he hasn't really tried and doesn;t seem to give a toss.

It is a shame because there is on the whole nothing wrong with his politics - but the party does need someone with their heart in the right place who is less dogmatic. While saying you are "Seven out of ten" in favour of Europe is at face value quite a decent endorsement of the union it was always going to be torn apart by the media and his pro-EU enemies. He seems unable to modify his stance when it is necessary - even modestly.


He completely rose to the challenge and I couldn't be happier! :)
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Diamond Dog » 12 Jun 2017, 09:53

I think most of us went through a period of doubting Corbyn - mine came just after the referendum, where I couldn't get my head around his supine position around Article 50. But maybe he had it right all along, and we didn't see the bigger picture - that the pro-Brexit vote (far from lancing the EU boil of the Tories) has actually allowed that boil to fester into almost unmanageable proportions. And we now have a dead duck PM, beholden to three different factions with Parliament, and a minority Govt unable to do much of anything in reality.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby THE SMOOTH SOUL STYLINGS OF SUMPTUOUS SI » 14 Dec 2017, 14:47

They're all cunts. Just because that cunt isn't PM and can afford to make all sorts of promises doesn't make him any less of a cunt.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Pansy Puff » 14 Dec 2017, 14:51

!!VAPRANT!! wrote:They're all cunts. Just because that cunt isn't PM and can afford to make all sorts of promises doesn't make him any less of a cunt.

Thanks for that intelligent and useful intervention, Haribo Joan.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Rayge » 14 Dec 2017, 14:58

!!VAPRANT!! wrote:They're all cunts. Just because that cunt isn't PM and can afford to make all sorts of promises doesn't make him any less of a cunt.

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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Darryl Strawberry on Priti Patel wrote:She's a hideous, right wing cunt. She's more just to the right of Pol Pot. It's looking increasingly likely she'll be gone and good riddance, I say. This fucker wants to bring back the death penalty. She's deluded.
Conservative MPs failed to rally behind Patel on Tuesday when her conduct was debated in parliament, which will be noted by her critics within the cabinet and the party.

They're cutting her off...
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Pansy Puff » 14 Dec 2017, 15:30

Goat Boy wrote:
Darryl Strawberry on Priti Patel wrote:She's a hideous, right wing cunt. She's more just to the right of Pol Pot. It's looking increasingly likely she'll be gone and good riddance, I say. This fucker wants to bring back the death penalty. She's deluded.
Conservative MPs failed to rally behind Patel on Tuesday when her conduct was debated in parliament, which will be noted by her critics within the cabinet and the party.

They're cutting her off...

Is this supposed to be some sort of comparison to Coan's post? Maybe I did simplistically say, "They're all cunts," I just can't see it myself.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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You said Priti Patel was to the right of Pol Pot. You call her a fucker, hideous and a cunt.

This sorta post from yourself in relation to the Tories is not unusual, K, let's face it because that's your personal bias.

If you're gonna criticise Coan for comments like that then I think it's a bit rich, you know?
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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Goat Boy wrote:You said Priti Patel was to the right of Pol Pot. You call her a fucker, hideous and a cunt.

This sorta post from yourself in relation to the Tories is not unusual, K, let's face it because that's your personal bias.

If you're gonna criticise Coan for comments like that then I think it's a bit rich, you know?


Well, to quote the Big Lebowiski, "...say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos." I'm arguing a position. Coan's antipathy is miserable. He has no position because it's too hard. Any Patel is pretty fucking hideously right wing, however much you fancy her.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

Postby Toby » 14 Dec 2017, 15:47

Coan's pessimism is at least couched in some sort of pragmatic reality.

Yours is "they're right wing so they must be a cunt", which like most entrenched lefties (or entrenched right wingers) is slightly up and beyond cloud cuckoo land.
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Goat Boy wrote:You said Priti Patel was to the right of Pol Pot. You call her a fucker, hideous and a cunt.

This sorta post from yourself in relation to the Tories is not unusual, K, let's face it because that's your personal bias.

If you're gonna criticise Coan for comments like that then I think it's a bit rich, you know?


I don't think it's so much the epithet as that it is applied across the board to all politicians, which makes it meaningless as a criticism of anyone in particular. While I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view, I don't really see it is appropriate or useful in the context of an old duffer wishing his Jewish constituents a Happy Hannukah. That's all.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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Rayge wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:You said Priti Patel was to the right of Pol Pot. You call her a fucker, hideous and a cunt.

This sorta post from yourself in relation to the Tories is not unusual, K, let's face it because that's your personal bias.

If you're gonna criticise Coan for comments like that then I think it's a bit rich, you know?


I don't think it's so much the epithet as that it is applied across the board to all politicians, which makes it meaningless as a criticism of anyone in particular. While I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view, I don't really see it is appropriate or useful in the context of an old duffer wishing his Jewish constituents a Happy Hannukah. That's all.


hence 'takes one to know one'?

I thought you were better than that kind of playground shit, Ray.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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!!VAPRANT!! wrote:
Rayge wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:You said Priti Patel was to the right of Pol Pot. You call her a fucker, hideous and a cunt.

This sorta post from yourself in relation to the Tories is not unusual, K, let's face it because that's your personal bias.

If you're gonna criticise Coan for comments like that then I think it's a bit rich, you know?


I don't think it's so much the epithet as that it is applied across the board to all politicians, which makes it meaningless as a criticism of anyone in particular. While I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view, I don't really see it is appropriate or useful in the context of an old duffer wishing his Jewish constituents a Happy Hannukah. That's all.


hence 'takes one to know one'?

I thought you were better than that kind of playground shit, Ray.


I'd say he's a product of his BCB environment.
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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Toby wrote:Coan's pessimism is at least couched in some sort of pragmatic reality.

Yours is "they're right wing so they must be a cunt", which like most entrenched lefties (or entrenched right wingers) is slightly up and beyond cloud cuckoo land.

..but true ;)
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Re: The future of the Labour Party

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!!VAPRANT!! wrote:hence 'takes one to know one'?

I thought you were better than that kind of playground shit, Ray.


Well, first of all, I know for a fact that you love that 'playground shit', which makes up a large proportion of your posts, including the one I was commenting on, so as far as I was concerned I was replying in kind :) .
Secondly, if you thought I was 'better' than that, you don't know me at all.
And thirdly, as it happens I genuinely like Corbyn as a politician; he's more or less the same age as me and has pretty much the same solid Labour views as I grew up with, and rejects the Thatcher-Blair-bullshit bullshit that has polluted British politics since 1979, and in my limited view hasn't actually promised anything he couldn't deliver with a decent majority.
And for the record, I also think that Israel is a rogue state, while not harbouring any anti-Jewish views, and that the provisional IRA, while their tactics were as vile as those of any military or paramilitary organization, did at least have a cause I agreed with.
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