US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

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Whose Booze is Best?

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8
33%
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16
67%
 
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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

Postby der nister » 30 May 2014, 19:41

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Harvey K-Tel wrote:NEWSFLASH!

IMPORTED PRODUCTS SOMETIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN DOMESTIC PRODUCTS!




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Hey smartass..what exactly do you think I'm comparing it to? Just to my make it clear it is overpiced compared to French, Italian, South American and new world wines all of which are IMPORTED


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However, import fees and tariffs may be more favorable amongst EU nations for EU products . Plus transportation costs are less.
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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

Postby bobzilla77 » 30 May 2014, 19:50

The G Experience! wrote:
Harvey K-Tel wrote:NEWSFLASH!

IMPORTED PRODUCTS SOMETIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN DOMESTIC PRODUCTS!




;)


Hey smartass..what exactly do you think I'm comparing it to? Just to my make it clear it is overpiced compared to French, Italian, South American and new world wines all of which are IMPORTED


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To be fair, you are a short boat ride away from France.

For garden-variety bottles you get at the grocery store, here in LA, you'll do a lot better with a $15 CA than a $15 Frenchy, in general. And I would not be surprised if, in England, that ratio reverses itself. I only ever order French wine when I'm ready to splurge.
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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

Postby The Modernist » 30 May 2014, 19:50

I'm saying they are expensive compared to Chilean, Argentinian or New Zealand wines as well. There seems to be vineyards that have given themselves inflated reputations -that's what I'm saying.

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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

Postby bobzilla77 » 30 May 2014, 19:53

What about the art of mixology? Are UK folks into bars with hand-muddled cocktails and that sort of thing? They're very pricey but, I must admit, occasionally worth it in the right places her in America.

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Postby The Modernist » 30 May 2014, 20:19

bobzilla77 wrote:What about the art of mixology? Are UK folks into bars with hand-muddled cocktails and that sort of thing? They're very pricey but, I must admit, occasionally worth it in the right places her in America.

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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

Postby Stille Baron » 30 May 2014, 20:23

Ho ho ho

I've had some pretty extraordinary, even revelatory drinks in the last few years at bars that take it seriously.
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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

Postby Nolamike » 30 May 2014, 20:24

The G Experience! wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:What about the art of mixology? Are UK folks into bars with hand-muddled cocktails and that sort of thing? They're very pricey but, I must admit, occasionally worth it in the right places her in America.

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That stuff's for the birds.


The pictured ones look a little frilly, but a well-made sazerac, Manhattan, martini, or old fashioned can be a wonderful thing.
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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

Postby Matt Wilson » 30 May 2014, 20:26

I'll stick with a Margarita.
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The G Experience! wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:What about the art of mixology? Are UK folks into bars with hand-muddled cocktails and that sort of thing? They're very pricey but, I must admit, occasionally worth it in the right places her in America.

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That stuff's for the birds.


Hello!

I like few things better than a hand-muddled cocktail. But I'm sure that I'd like them whether I was here or in the US.

We Brits have got Pimms ( must have cucumber in it, or it's not proper) and this stuff:

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the extremely delectable and easy-drinking Chapel Down fizz. I'm voting for home.
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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

Postby toomanyhatz » 30 May 2014, 20:34

Even 'trendy' cocktails can be wonderful if made right. A good mojito is a marvelous thing.

If I have an objection to them it's not so much trendiness as price. The place with velvet ropes charging $25 for an apple martini don't necessarily make a better one than the bar down the street that charges $10.
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Postby Matt Wilson » 30 May 2014, 20:51

I'm not gonna even pay $10 for a mixed drink.
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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

Postby Stille Baron » 30 May 2014, 20:57

toomanyhatz wrote:apple martini


Maybe the UK should win this one after all.
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Postby Copehead » 30 May 2014, 21:17

Nolamike wrote:[qu

Of course, the elephant in the room is West Coast wine. I don't think the UK has anything to answer it, and it's what gives it the nod for me.

Oh, and if we expanded it to include cocktails, it wouldn't be a contest - just about every significant cocktail, with the exception of the gin and tonic, originated in the US.


Although there are some fine Californian wines the winery as a whole is massively overrated by Americans; you make some truly appalling wine there which sells for vast amounts of money because Americans are impressed by highly alcoholic, jammy reds for some reason. They often taste more like fruit gums than proper wines - Zinfandels are the worst offenders here. Your Californian Cabs are a little bit more reliable but not fit to lick the boots of a decent Bordeaux, Merlots likewise.

French red wines, and even the better Australian, South African and Chilean ones, are usually far more complex than just legs and fruit.

In the UK you have to spend over $30 to get a Californian wine which starts to keep up with similarly priced wines from elsewhere.

The American wine industry is complacent because you will seemingly pay vast sums for inferior home grown wine.

And on behalf of the rest of the world I would like to thank you for making sure that most of that muck doesn't leave your own country, truly.

The UK has a very small but generally very good wine industry specialising in Champagne style wines from the chalk lands of the South which often win awards over champagnes, but as they are generally Chardonnay - Blancs de Blancs Champagnes they are very much not my cup of tea.

Gin and Tonic isn't a cocktail it is a long drink, cocktails do not contain mixers.

Prohibition USA was a fertile breeding ground for cocktails but many are much older, check out the cocktail list at the Hawksmoor Restaurant in London for lists of these older Cobblers and Dog's Noses.

The idea that American alcohol is worthy of mention in the same breath as British booze is, of course, not worth considering, it is ludicrous.

I was tempted by these US microbreweries but they seem to compete to turn out the most viciously over hopped beers that are too bitter to make any pretense at enjoying, Brew Dog in the UK do the same.

Fucking stupid idea.

Give me a nice malty best bitter any day of the week, or a roasted Mild.

Overhopped IPAs as some sort of macho ritual :roll:

You can keep them with your jammy wines

The only decent alcohol to come out of the US is Bourbon which is a poor man's Malt Whisky when it comes to complexity but makes for a nice change sometimes.
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Postby der nister » 30 May 2014, 21:24

:lol: Standard Copehead anti US hyperbole :lol:
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Postby harvey k-tel » 30 May 2014, 21:29

Here Copey, I think you dropped these:

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Postby Copehead » 30 May 2014, 21:34

zphage wrote::lol: Standard Copehead anti US hyperbole :lol:


You're all cunts, your food is muck and your alcohol is piss

It needs to be said for your own good

Imagine what would happen if you tried this on with someone who didn't like you

But honestly over hopped beer is a serous error of judgement

My wine merchant has more or less stopped stocking Californian wines as they make no sense qualitywise at the price you have to pay to import them.

That isn't a problem with importation, excellent Aussie and New Zealand wines travel a lot further, it is a problem with home market consumption, you will buy such appalling crap that the vineyards can charge a fortune for it.

Its a shame my wine merchant used to stock a very passable J Lohr Cabernet Sauvignon at around $30, but It was no better than similar Aussie wines at 2/3 of that price
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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

Postby Copehead » 30 May 2014, 21:38

Harvey K-Tel wrote:Here Copey, I think you dropped these:

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:D

I did make a couple of serious points: your wines are over priced and your craft beers are often hopelessly over hopped.

I should really try a few more but I don't like overly hoppy beer and most US craft beers I've tried go down the hipster brewing route.

I hate Brew Dog for the same reason - all their beers are either bitterly hoppy or hugely strong or both, it is just stupidly macho brewing for men with hipster beards, plaid shirts and red trousers.

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Postby toomanyhatz » 30 May 2014, 21:43

Copehead wrote:Overhopped IPAs as some sort of macho ritual :roll:


And overmalted stouts are, what? Sensitive and delicate? :lol: Mercifully most American attempts to duplicate the "meal in a pint glass" fail miserably. I put this to our credit, not yours.

At which I say, pass the IPA. The hoppier the better.
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Copehead wrote:I was tempted by these US microbreweries but they seem to compete to turn out the most viciously over hopped beers that are too bitter to make any pretense at enjoying, Brew Dog in the UK do the same.

Fucking stupid idea.

Give me a nice malty best bitter any day of the week, or a roasted Mild.

Overhopped IPAs as some sort of macho ritual :roll:


This may have been a valid criticism five years ago, but it's pretty dated. There are still plenty of stupid beers, but like I said, it's blown up well beyond silly IPAs.
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Re: US v. UK, Round 12: Alcoholic Beverages

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toomanyhatz wrote:
Copehead wrote:Overhopped IPAs as some sort of macho ritual :roll:


And overmalted stouts are, what?



A figment of your imagination?

I have no idea what you are talking about


Mercifully most American attempts to duplicate the "meal in a pint glass" fail miserably. I put this to our credit, not yours.

At which I say, pass the IPA. The hoppier the better.


To be fair it isn't a US problem it is a hipster brewing problem common to both countries but as the US has a younger wankier craft brewing industry it seems to have caught this titwankery particularly badly.

And wankery it is

Even if you avoid white tiled hipster brewery wank pits you can get a wider range of beers and ciders/perrys from a wider range of breweries than anywhere else I have ever been, and I have been to lots of places.
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