The Jimbo thread - conspiracies gratefully accepted

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Postby Jimbo » 30 Nov 2017, 17:44

zoomboogity wrote:Do you believe that the disaster at Fukushima never happened, and the waters around you aren't still being polluted by it to this day? Do you feel safe where you are?


Well, something happened. Was there some kind of conspiracy? Maybe. I read something that said Fukushima has been ground zero for nuclear research since WWII and that they were making an A bomb there but were too slow and never got it done in time. But, the article said, they were still making bombs in Fukushima - despite any treaties - up until that day, or maybe still making them. Could be true. Fukushima is a huge nuclear center. That's the extent of my knowledge re a woo-woo Fukushima conspiracy. As for holes, anomalies in the official Fukushima story there don't seem to be many. If I recall TEPCO officials lied at first about some shit but got found out and publicly apologized, the Japanese version of accountability. I knew actual victims, students from families whose homes were wiped out by the tsunami, so that is not an issue for me but there are a load of victims whose bodies were washed out to sea and never found.

Re my safety, oddly I'm not afraid and neither is anybody else here that I know of. There is no panic that's for sure. There was a ban on produce and fish from the area for maybe a year after the disaster but now it's all good - we assume. The waters are probably not 100% pre-accident pristine but we're told what is leeching in isn't enough to hurt us. There is a saying in Japan that says if everybody is crossing at a red light it is safe to cross with them, IOW, there's safety in numbers. It seems like ages since we've heard any shocking news from the area, i.e., children with thyroid problems. I have to assume they have shit under control. If I have any delusions they're anti-conspiritorial in that I am convinced that shit is more or less safe and that the pollution is no big deal. I know you Californians are more concerned than most Japanese. In this case you guys are the conspiracy nuts and overreacting to a situation that is objectively safe - I hope.
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Postby Sneelock » 30 Nov 2017, 17:52

Objectively?

By scientific means? By general consensus?
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Postby Jimbo » 30 Nov 2017, 17:58

Sneelock wrote:Objectively?

By scientific means? By general consensus?


Mostly general consensus. No one is dying or sick. The food is being eaten. I feel fine and i worked not 40 miles from the place. I was concerned back in the day but it rarely crosses my mind nowadays.
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Postby Sneelock » 30 Nov 2017, 18:15

great. well, maybe they'll forget all about it even before they clean that mess up!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/19/scie ... -fuel.html
maybe Fuke employees will still be required to wear radiation detectors long after the zeitgeist has moved on.
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Postby zoomboogity » 30 Nov 2017, 18:50

Jimbo wrote:It seems like ages since we've heard any shocking news from the area, i.e., children with thyroid problems. I have to assume they have shit under control. If I have any delusions they're anti-conspiritorial in that I am convinced that shit is more or less safe and that the pollution is no big deal.


No news is good news, right? Keep the faith, you skeptic you.

Jimbo wrote:I know you Californians are more concerned than most Japanese. In this case you guys are the conspiracy nuts and overreacting to a situation that is objectively safe - I hope.


There is no logic to that sentence. We're more concerned than Japan is, and therefore we're just making it up? How long did it take you to settle on that one?

if LA gets nuked, we have many fault lines which could be disrupted - the Newport-Inglewood Fault and The Palos Verdes Fault, look them up. If these cause the land to liquefy and sink, here's a partial list of what we stand to lose: four airports, two major seaports (responsible for 43% of overseas cargo), loads of major corporation headquarters, film and TV studios, tourist attractions such as Disneyland, the list goes on. Then give it about half a day before the rest of the country feels the effects of no trucks with goods to deliver. Who'd want our contaminated food at that point, anyway? And some of the best hospitals in the world, so good luck to all the survivors after their bodies get microwaved from within and no hospital to take them in and tend to them. And most of the people with the money living on that coast, from Santa Monica to Newport Beach, along with one of the most temperate climates in the world. Oh yes, and Raging Waters in San Dimas - Bill & Ted said to say hi, by the way!

As for the most likely target for causing long-term damage, my bet is on the harbor. I live about a mile away, plus a few oil refineries. So the fuck should I care? I'll just instantly melt and be dead while my city sinks in the ocean, it's not my problem after that. It's those poor schmucks 50 miles away whom I feel sorry for.

You know what, Jimbo? You just showed me, once and for all, that you don't believe any of this stuff you say, and you never did. If Hepcat or Foxhound or BWilson were here defending right-leaning or libertarian opinions, you'd have no problem aligning with the others. But those guys aren't wasting their time now, and there's no contrary point to gang up on. So suddenly you're all "Trump's not so bad," while other people's concerns about nuclear holocaust and other such trifles are just blithely dismissed. You're not a conspiracy theorist, you're not even an idealogue or a zealot. You're a troll, a contrarian, a jokester. Which is cool, we all joke here. Difference is, we understand our own jokes. I know now not to get upset when you speak stupidly and callously after some tragedy, and anyone else here who does get upset from here on is a fool. It's to the point where I'll hear some tragedy on the news, then automatically think, "I wonder whom Jimbo's going to piss off and disgust this time." It's like clockwork. Good job, though, you had us going for a few years there!

But... really, dude? Donald Trump? Not that Clinton was much of a bargain either, but come on. Do you vote in our elections? Will Japan be prepared if Trump decides to pull our military out and leave you guys to defend yourselves again? After all, it worked so well last time. At least we got some Bugs Bunny cartoons out of that one.

I think this thread is over. But no reason not to keep it going. Forever.

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Postby Jimbo » 06 Dec 2017, 02:02

58 KILLED IN LAS VEGAS.
HOW? WHY? NOBODY CARES
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By MATT WALSH @MattWalshBlog December 1, 2017

I am going to break the rules of the Internet Hot Take Industry and write about an old story that nobody cares about anymore. We have gone on to other topics, and then other topics, and then other topics, and other topics, etc.

The news cycle moves at the speed of sound. Events from last week are a distant memory and news from October may as well have occurred during the Cretaceous Period.

Still, I can't help but recall, ever so faintly, that little thing known at the time as the worst mass shooting in American history. If memory serves, a wealthy 64-year-old gambler named Stephen Paddock murdered 58 people and injured hundreds from the window of his luxury hotel room. In the days after the slaughter, nobody could figure out why he did it, or how he managed to pull it off. So, we all kind of shrugged our shoulders and moved on. The questions were never answered.

It is now two months later and we know as much today as we knew six hours after the shooting. But nobody is talking about it anymore. It's as if it never happened.

There was a time when a mass shooting of this magnitude would dominate the news for weeks and weeks. Columbine — which paled in comparison to this — was the only thing anyone talked about for at least a month. Even more recent shootings — Charleston, Aurora, Orlando — were in the headlines for much longer than Las Vegas. Yet there were more people shot in Vegas than in Columbine, Charleston, Aurora, and Orlando combined. Twice as many, easily.

Well, I think.

I actually don't know how many people were shot. They tell us 527 people were injured, along with the 58 killed, but were all of those injuries from gunshots? Did the guy actually physically shoot 585 human beings? Or were some of the injuries from people getting knocked over and trampled in the melee? I would imagine the latter must be the case, but I don't know. It's been two months and we still don't even know how many people Paddock shot. Maybe that number is available somewhere but I couldn't find it. How is that possible? How could it be two months after the worst mass shooting in American history and we still don't have a precise and well-publicized casualty count?

And that's just one unanswered question.

There are many more, because, basically, none of the questions about Las Vegas have ever been answered. And they don't need to be answered because nobody is asking them. So the questions remain. Questions like:

Why did he do it? We were told it wasn't terrorism, even though ISIS claimed credit. Okay, then what was it? Was he crazy? But then how did a crazy person manage to orchestrate something like this? And why hasn't a single person from Paddock's personal life come forward and called him crazy? All we heard was that Paddock was a normal, rational guy. Dylann Roof was obviously disturbed. Adam Lanza had clear mental issues. James Holmes is a nutcase. The Orlando killer was a terrorist. Every single one of these guys fits into one of two categories: terrorist or lunatic. We're told Stephen Paddock was neither of those things. What was he? Why did he do it? And why isn't the media asking why he did it?

In fairness, some media outlets have sued the FBI to gain access to information about the shooting, but they could put more pressure on the Powers That Be if they actually reported on the story and asked this question publicly. Or this question:

How did he do it? We know he used a gun. Or guns. He had dozens of guns in the hotel room with him. How did he get them all in there? How did he set up a kill room in a major American hotel without anyone noticing? How did he manage to shoot hundreds of people from 500 yards away at night? Was he trained? Where did he train? Who trained him?

More questions:

Why did the timeline of the shooting change three times? What's the current version of the timeline? First they told us a "hero" security guard named Jesus Campos stopped the shooting while it was happening. Then they told us Campos himself was actually shot six minutes before Paddock opened fire on the crowd. Then the hotel told us Campos was shot 40 seconds before Paddock began his massacre. Which is it? None of these? And how could there ever have been any confusion about the timeline? There are video cameras everywhere. There were gun shots being fired in a crowded hotel. Shouldn't it have been immediately obvious exactly when all of this started?

And what exactly were the police doing? If Campos was shot six minutes before the massacre, and the massacre lasted 10 minutes, why didn't anyone intervene sometime during that 16-minute time span? Police didn't finally enter the hotel room until an hour after the shooting stopped. What took them so long? Where were they? In one of the last press conferences about the shooting, the Las Vegas sheriff confirmed that the police were in the hotel when the shooting started. It took them over an hour to get upstairs? Or were they just waiting by the door as Paddock executed 58 people?

And why did it take them a month to disclose that an officer did discharge his weapon inside Paddock's room? They insisted for weeks that no officer fired a shot. Did they really not know? Or were they withholding the information? Why? And why was a shot fired if Paddock was allegedly already dead when they entered?

And why did Paddock wire $100,000 to the Philippines before the shooting?

And what happened to his missing hard drive? Did they ever find it? And why did he get rid of it? What's on it?

We're told Paddock had an escape plan. How could he have ever imagined that he might be able to escape? Did he have some help? Or was he supposed to have help but it fell through?

Why did he stop shooting after ten minutes if he had so many guns and so much ammunition?

Why did he stop shooting yet make no attempt to escape?

And what's the deal with Jesus Campos? Why did he leave the country immediately after the attack? Why did he refuse to do interviews with any news outlets until suddenly appearing on Ellen, of all places?

And do we know for sure that Paddock was the only shooter? Multiple witnesses swore that there were shots coming from more than one location. Were they mistaken?

And here's a big one: Why haven't we seen any video footage of Stephen Paddock whatsoever? Paddock carried out his attack in one of the most monitored cities in the world. You can scarcely find a nook or cranny of Las Vegas that isn't under video surveillance. Yet not even one second of Paddock video has leaked? No video of him carrying the gun-laden bags into the hotel? No video of him checking in? No video of whatever went down between Paddock and Campos? Not even any video of Paddock at one of the many casinos he frequented? We're told Paddock spent a lot of time in Vegas. There must be literally hundreds of hours of footage of him spread out between dozens of hotels and casinos. None of it has leaked? All of it was confiscated immediately?

That doesn't make any sense.

None of this makes any sense.

And maybe it never will make sense, because nobody is paying attention anymore.
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Postby Jimbo » 18 Dec 2017, 18:36

And while we've quickly forgotten the Las Vegas shooting here is a reminder of the Manchester bombing along with dozens of inconsistencies in the official story. I'd particularly like for Rayge to watch this for he usually has the most cogent comebacks to my conspiracy theories.

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Postby zoomboogity » 18 Dec 2017, 21:32

Jimbo wrote:And while we've quickly forgotten the Las Vegas shooting


No, "we" haven't.

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Postby Copehead » 18 Dec 2017, 21:41

This article shows quite neatly how the US far right have become a tool, wittingly and unwittingly, of Russian propaganda:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/syria-white-helmets-conspiracy-theories

Who would have thought that when Russia finally did undermine US democracy it would be through infiltration on co-option of the political right rather than the left, quite amazing?
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Postby Snarfyguy » 18 Dec 2017, 21:50

zoomboogity wrote:
Jimbo wrote:And while we've quickly forgotten the Las Vegas shooting


No, "we" haven't.

(not being in the headlines) ≠ "forgotten"
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Postby Copehead » 18 Dec 2017, 22:19

There was another recent article in the Guardian about Russian state media manipulation but I forgot to link it and cannot be bothered to search it out but if anyone else wants to it will be on the Guardian website somewhere.

But to paraphrase it it said that the Russian troll factories do not push one side of a story very often unless it is directly to Putin's advantage, what they do is make people lose trust in all news media so that they don't know what is true by undermining all sides of a story.

We have a prime example of that in Jimbo, someone who doesn't know what to believe anymore so ends up believing whatever he heard last.

This is really a sign of Russia's weakness rather than its strength, it has been forced to move funds away from the direct projection of power ( where China is now far more of a global force than anyone, even the Sates, when you travel the world it is remarkable how much infrastructure China is building these days ) and move into asymmetric warfare like media trolling.

So far it has been remarkably successful, helping hobble the USA with a moron for president and tying up Europe in years of Brexit negotiations. In fact I bet they cannot believe their luck with how easy it has all been. But that is probably the low hanging fruit gone.
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Postby bobzilla77 » 18 Dec 2017, 23:53

I actually don't know how many people were shot. They tell us 527 people were injured, along with the 58 killed, but were all of those injuries from gunshots? Did the guy actually physically shoot 585 human beings? Or were some of the injuries from people getting knocked over and trampled in the melee? I would imagine the latter must be the case, but I don't know. It's been two months and we still don't even know how many people Paddock shot. Maybe that number is available somewhere but I couldn't find it. How is that possible? How could it be two months after the worst mass shooting in American history and we still don't have a precise and well-publicized casualty count?

And that's just one unanswered question.


Translation: It's impossible to know anything for sure so you may as well believe what you like.
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Postby toomanyhatz » 19 Dec 2017, 00:27

bobzilla77 wrote:It's been two months and we still don't even know how many people Paddock shot. Maybe that number is available somewhere but I couldn't find it. How is that possible? How could it be two months after the worst mass shooting in American history and we still don't have a precise and well-publicized casualty count?


Trying to figure out why on earth this would be important, and how exactly this signifies any kind of proof that there's a conspiracy involved.
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Postby zoomboogity » 19 Dec 2017, 00:37

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Postby Jimbo » 19 Dec 2017, 07:48

It's absolutely head spinning the shit that is done to us by THEM. And you wonder why the US has such a massive drug problem?

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/

The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook.

An ambitious U.S. task force targeting Hezbollah's billion-dollar criminal enterprise ran headlong into the White House's desire for a nuclear deal with Iran.

By Josh Meyer

In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation.

The campaign, dubbed Project Cassandra, was launched in 2008 after the Drug Enforcement Administration amassed evidence that Hezbollah had transformed itself from a Middle East-focused military and political organization into an international crime syndicate that some investigators believed was collecting $1 billion a year from drug and weapons trafficking, money laundering and other criminal activities.

Over the next eight years, agents working out of a top-secret DEA facility in Chantilly, Virginia, used wiretaps, undercover operations and informants to map Hezbollah’s illicit networks, with the help of 30 U.S. and foreign security agencies.

They followed cocaine shipments, some from Latin America to West Africa and on to Europe and the Middle East, and others through Venezuela and Mexico to the United States. They tracked the river of dirty cash as it was laundered by, among other tactics, buying American used cars and shipping them to Africa. And with the help of some key cooperating witnesses, the agents traced the conspiracy, they believed, to the innermost circle of Hezbollah and its state sponsors in Iran.

They followed cocaine shipments, tracked a river of dirty cash, and traced what they believed to be the innermost circle of Hezbollah and its state sponsors in Iran.

But as Project Cassandra reached higher into the hierarchy of the conspiracy, Obama administration officials threw an increasingly insurmountable series of roadblocks in its way, according to interviews with dozens of participants who in many cases spoke for the first time about events shrouded in secrecy, and a review of government documents and court records. When Project Cassandra leaders sought approval for some significant investigations, prosecutions, arrests and financial sanctions, officials at the Justice and Treasury departments delayed, hindered or rejected their requests.

The Justice Department declined requests by Project Cassandra and other authorities to file criminal charges against major players such as Hezbollah’s high-profile envoy to Iran, a Lebanese bank that allegedly laundered billions in alleged drug profits, and a central player in a U.S.-based cell of the Iranian paramilitary Quds force. And the State Department rejected requests to lure high-value targets to countries where they could be arrested….
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How Syria's White Helmets became victims of an online propaganda machine

The Russia-backed campaign to link the volunteer rescuers with al-Qaida exposes how conspiracy theories take root: ‘It’s like a factory’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... y-theories
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kewl klive wrote:How Syria's White Helmets became victims of an online propaganda machine

The Russia-backed campaign to link the volunteer rescuers with al-Qaida exposes how conspiracy theories take root: ‘It’s like a factory’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... y-theories


If the UK government is a foe of Assad and a supporter of the so called moderate terrorists (not to mention ISIS itself) how then can the UK government supported White Helmets (“the total value of funds committed between June 2013 and the end of the current financial year (31 March 2016) is £19.7m") be anything but a tool of UK policy - - keeping in mind the entire involvement of the UK and the US in Syria is a fraud. Or maybe you can tell me what legitimate business Britain has in Syria.
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Postby Jimbo » 19 Dec 2017, 16:19

I am sick of hearing the establishment trying to convince us that things are so complicated and hard to understand in order to blind us, silence us, exclude us, exploit us and subjugate us. I mean, where do we even begin the conversation? The premises are lies. Facts are lies. History is a lie. The conclusions, the policies, motives and results are all lies.


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Postby bobzilla77 » 19 Dec 2017, 20:01

Jimbo wrote:
kewl klive wrote:How Syria's White Helmets became victims of an online propaganda machine

The Russia-backed campaign to link the volunteer rescuers with al-Qaida exposes how conspiracy theories take root: ‘It’s like a factory’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... y-theories


If the UK government is a foe of Assad and a supporter of the so called moderate terrorists (not to mention ISIS itself) how then can the UK government supported White Helmets (“the total value of funds committed between June 2013 and the end of the current financial year (31 March 2016) is £19.7m") be anything but a tool of UK policy - - keeping in mind the entire involvement of the UK and the US in Syria is a fraud. Or maybe you can tell me what legitimate business Britain has in Syria.


You were paid in rubles to post that.
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